[AFPhys]

IF the idiotic four (france, germany, russia, china) had STAYED WITH THE PROGRAM and enforced the sanctions, Saadumb would likely have been broken long, long ago.

[cajungirl]

I dunno,,that n korean dude hasn't broken yet, nor has castro. I doubt that sanctions work but that is another story.

[Howlin]

Exactly! He thought he'd get a deal from France. If France had stood with us threatening force, this wouldn't have been necessary!

[Cboldt]

IF the idiotic four (france, germany, russia, china) had STAYED WITH THE PROGRAM and enforced the sanctions, Saadumb would likely have been broken long, long ago.

In the long run, this is the best outcome. I prefer a useless UN -- not a big fan of central government, certainly not on a global scale.

FWIW, the idiotic four also queered chances at inspections, because they backed off the credible use of force. One cannot EVER back down from a credible threat of force, lest the threat lose credibility forever after.