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Inside the hell of Saddam's torture chambers
The Times ^ | April 9, 2003 | Daniel McGrory

Posted on 04/08/2003 2:55:08 PM PDT by MadIvan

ABID HUSSAN took one step inside the foul-smelling prison cell and began to shake. Beads of sweat ran down his forehead and behind his gold-rimmed spectacles. The 45-year-old shopkeeper pointed to the electric cables hanging from the ceiling where President Saddam Hussein’s security police would torture him three times a day.

People tried to elbow their way inside this impossibly small 6ft by 4ft torture chamber. They were anxious to sift through the documents carpeting the floor to see if it gave a clue as to what became of a loved one, or friend, who had been dragged inside here and was never heard of again.

Until yesterday, when British troops finished their search for booby traps inside the State Security headquarters, no one in Basra would have dared to set foot in this building. It was forbidden even to walk on the pavement outside what residents nicknamed “the white lion”, a big white building, a fearsome creature that devoured people. But everyone knew what went on behind the thick concrete walls.

The torture cells lay in squat, rectangular rows in landscaped grounds tucked behind a six-storey tower block, where floor after floor of filing cabinets were stuffed with the records of untold numbers of citizens.

One old man studying the jumble of paperwork pointed out that the files with red edges were of those who had been executed.

Saddam’s jailers were meticulous record-keepers. They pinned photographs inside the documents showing how the prisoner was bearing up to various stages of torture. They finished with pictures of the battered and bloodied body after execution.

Standing inside his former cell at the end of a dark corridor, Mr Hussan described, in a low whisper, how he had been seized in the street in March 1999 because he was standing close to a prominent Shia cleric in Basra.

“I didn’t know the man, I never spoke to the man and I’m not even a Shia, but they held me in this stinking hole for ten months,” he said.

The only dim light came from a small, barred window. There was a hook in the ceiling and Mr Hussan demonstrated how his hands had been tied behind his back and how he had been suspended from it for up to three hours a day.

He lifted his shirt to show the scars and weals on his painfully thin legs where he had been whipped with electric cable. “All day and night you would hear terrible screams, and some were from children.”

After a couple of minutes he could not bear to stay in the room any longer and dashed off around the corner to what he called “the cages”: long, red-painted wire-mesh cells, where inmates would be forced to watch others being tortured as they awaited their turn to be dipped into a rusty metal bath and electrocuted.

Around the edge of this torture yard were cells for some of those sentenced to death, including a couple where an adult would have had to bend double to fit inside. There were prisoners here until five days ago, when their captors, realising that British tanks were coming, abandoned the centre.

Walking around the centre yesterday, nervous locals pointed discreetly to a couple of heavily built men who they suspected of working there and who had, perhaps, returned to cover up their work.

To try to disguise the true purpose of this building, Saddam placed a secondary school across the road in what was the fashionable suburb of Ashar. On the corner were the courts of justice, although most punishment was meted inside the white lion out without the need for a trial.

Raad Azoor, 32, waved a document that he said, showed how the torturers had executed his brother, an army officer, in 1991, claiming that he was a traitor for questioning an order over the invasion of Kuwait.

“There is not a house in Basra that has not had someone taken to this place. Some were freed. Thousands were not,” he said, spitting at an official crest lying amid the debris.

These were not just the wild claims of those delighted to see the back of a cruel regime. Proof of systematic, state-orchestrated violence against citizens was strewn across the courtyard, with documents, files, signed confessions and interrogations being blown around by the hot wind.

One file being trodden underfoot involved an 11-year-old boy accused of “treason”. His crimes, apparently, included writing seditious messages on a school exercise book.

There was a separate section for women, with girls as young as 13 included in records in a red-bound book recovered by one man who clutched it to his chest for safekeeping.

The trouble for the allies who might want to use such evidence in future war crimes hearings is that most who stampeded through the skeleton of Basra’s most-hated building were only too happy to start bonfires in every office, using the prison records.

Every few minutes flame and smoke belched through another broken window as looters finished cannibalising the electric fittings and water pipes, then decided that what they could not steal they would burn.

On the street, the crews of a couple of British armoured personnel carriers paused briefly to watch the frenzied crowd hurling filing cabinets from top-floor windows, then accelerated away. All day a growing number of people, finally believing that the grip of Saddam’s regime is finished in Basra, stumbled over the rubble for a tour of the white lion.

There were those like Abu al-Mansoori, who was jailed here with his wife for five months for attending prayers in a Shia mosque and who argued with those who wanted this loathed symbol razed to the ground. “Leave it,” he said, “and let people truly see what bad things were done to us. It is truly incredible what was done in here.”


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; United Kingdom; War on Terror
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To: MadIvan
Sounds like Hillery's bedroom chambers.
41 posted on 04/08/2003 3:18:42 PM PDT by RetiredArmy
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To: MadIvan
This is what these people have in mind for us. If Bush had not taken the courageous stand that he took, they just might have pulled it off.
42 posted on 04/08/2003 3:18:54 PM PDT by Savage Beast
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To: Billthedrill
The people running the torture chambers at the jail were meticulous record-keepers, but somehow the peaceniks would have us believe that the people in charge of chemical and biological weapons weren't, and that the missing 10,000 gallons of anthrax was destroyed along with all records of its destruction.
43 posted on 04/08/2003 3:19:37 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Steven W.
"....Alex Witt dimwit gal......that pee-wee brain..."

Are you talking about Jonathan Alter? He is just another bed-wetting sissy liberal who still has his baby fat!

I saw that piece and, surprisingly, he eventually came around to say that the U.S. would not target journalists. How painful that must have been for him to admit that.
44 posted on 04/08/2003 3:20:24 PM PDT by whadizit
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To: Belial
To Post @ 38. I listened to an interview with an Iraqui exhile the other night with Greta. He spoke of Saddam in the early days. This guy was one of Saddam's nuke builders. He ran after the nuke plant was bombed. But, he spoke that in the beginning Saddam was a nice guy. Was not that mean or brutal. He said as time went on, Saddam changed and got worse and worse. Since I don't know and this guy lived there and suffered it, I will take his word for it. But, he said Saddam was ok back in the very beginning. That was back when we chose the side of Iraq over that of Iran who was holding our people thanks to the stupidity of Jimmy Carter. So, at some point you take sides. In this case we took sides over the lesser of the two evils. That way, you hope to neutralize one of them and you can take care of the other one yourself. But, the Iraq-Iran war kind of ended in a tie.
45 posted on 04/08/2003 3:22:23 PM PDT by RetiredArmy
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To: MadIvan; FairOpinion; Dolphy; Billthedrill; Arpege92; SevenofNine; whadizit
Ivan, I know you've seen this post before, but I believe many here have not:

Scott Ritter: In His Own Words (9/14/02)

You've spoke about having seen the children's prisons in Iraq. Can you describe what you saw there?

The prison in question is at the General Security Services headquarters, which was inspected by my team in Jan. 1998. It appeared to be a prison for children — toddlers up to pre-adolescents — whose only crime was to be the offspring of those who have spoken out politically against the regime of Saddam Hussein. It was a horrific scene. Actually I'm not going to describe what I saw there because what I saw was so horrible that it can be used by those who would want to promote war with Iraq, and right now I'm waging peace.


46 posted on 04/08/2003 3:23:43 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: MadIvan
"One file being trodden underfoot involved an 11-year-old boy accused of “treason”. His crimes, apparently, included writing seditious messages on a school exercise book." "There was a separate section for women, with included in records in a red-bound book recovered by one man who clutched it to his chest for safekeeping."

Torture Susan Sarandon and Martin sheen instead!!!

47 posted on 04/08/2003 3:23:44 PM PDT by Kay Soze (For every 100 Osamas created in the fight on terrorism - we shall elect one more "W")
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To: tracer
"...matters are handled locally..."

I know, but these people have got to learn about law and order and civilized ways of dealing with criminals. They have had no experience with it. It will be difficult, but we cannot, for the future of these people, sit back and allow them to tear these goons up like wild animals. I may be wrong, but that's how I feel.
48 posted on 04/08/2003 3:24:00 PM PDT by whadizit
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To: whadizit
Just saw on MSNBC a walk-through of a prison torture chamber. An ex-prisoner said he was in for 8 yrs. for committing the crime of praying too much.

The MSNBC reporter showed some cells but then said, "There is much more to this chamber, but we are not going to show it." Just damn! Why not? The more this gets out the better. Oh, I forgot, we are too sensitive!

Oh man, I couldn't agree more!

The patronizing attitude of these networks drives me up an effin wall.

Report the whole story.

49 posted on 04/08/2003 3:24:04 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: whadizit
I have a problem with the British allowing records to be destroyed.

I've heard Iraq experts say that records were usually made in duplicate or triplicate, for forwarding to regional and national command centers. I'm sure Saddam & sons enjoyed looking at the torture records.

50 posted on 04/08/2003 3:24:11 PM PDT by browardchad
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To: MadIvan
Rare to find beauty in the midst of so much heartache and pain. A new day for those being tortured and deprived of life and liberty, May God continue to bless the Coalition's mission.

An Iraqi Kurd peshmerga cleans his gun, which has plastic flowers given by local residents of a recently liberated village stuck in the barrel, near the front line with Iraqi government forces south of Arbil, northern Iraq, April 8, 2003. U.S. forces staged an explosive show of strength in central Baghdad on Tuesday, blasting government targets virtually at will after trying to kill President Saddam Hussein and his sons with four huge bombs. REUTERS/Caren Firouz

51 posted on 04/08/2003 3:24:26 PM PDT by swheats
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52 posted on 04/08/2003 3:24:33 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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To: nicmarlo
Scott lost all credaibity with me after he got busted try pick under age girl

SCOTTY SHUT UP

You should say something BEFORE
53 posted on 04/08/2003 3:26:12 PM PDT by SevenofNine (GAME OVER Saddam your a** is grass)
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To: MadIvan
"...These were not just the wild claims of those delighted to see the back of a cruel regime. Proof of systematic, state-orchestrated violence against citizens was strewn across the courtyard, with documents, files, signed confessions and interrogations being blown around by the hot wind..."

Well Well Well, I wonder what all of the Leftist Hollywood Supporters of Saddam Hussein think about these facts?Will they put it on TV,to let the world see how bad a human Saddam and his military followers truly were?I doubt it,but we'll probably see it on The History Channel in 6 months or so.

54 posted on 04/08/2003 3:26:16 PM PDT by Pagey (Hillary Rotten is a Smug , Holier-Than-Thou Socialist)
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To: mvpel
"Ten thousand gallons of anthrax? What ten thousand gallons of anthrax?"

"Funny sort of bunker, what with a pool and all...want to go for a swim?"

"Oh...that ten thousand gallons of anthrax..."

55 posted on 04/08/2003 3:28:11 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: nicmarlo
Scott Ritter: In His Own Words (9/14/02)

Thank you for posting this, I hadn't seen it.

How could anyone aware of these horrors be AGAINST us liberating the Iraqi people from this? Those condoning this, by having opposed us to stop this, are monsters, same as Saddam.
56 posted on 04/08/2003 3:29:27 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: RetiredArmy
But, he spoke that in the beginning Saddam was a nice guy. Was not that mean or brutal. He said as time went on, Saddam changed and got worse and worse.

That's a bunch of nonsense. Read a little about Saddam's rise to power.
57 posted on 04/08/2003 3:29:29 PM PDT by Belial
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To: MadIvan
Tuol Sleng Prison all over again.
58 posted on 04/08/2003 3:29:49 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: whadizit
Three days ago I posted the following on another thread. As you can see, I agree with you.

I just had something hit me. I was looking at the USA Today. On the front page of the second section was a picture of anti-war (anti-humanity) idiots. I feel that people like Galloway and alot of the other ignorant idiots just need to have to truth thrust in their faces. Pictures, statements from Iraqis of what they have been through and witness and that they want this change. Pictures would work the best for the ones who protect their ignorance by ignoring the truth. Alot of us have changed our minds because we have read accounts and seen pictures of the atrocities. Of course alot of these people have built a personal bunker around themselves. Although I don't condone what aljazeera did, maybe our media needs to be alittle more proactive in showing the truth. Seems like alot of the anti's around the world and radicals in Iraq are getting the attention. Maybe we should swamp the world with the truth.





All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
59 posted on 04/08/2003 3:29:53 PM PDT by crobnson
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To: SevenofNine
"God bless Dubya and Tony Blair stop this Demon Saddam"

Yes, however it's come years too late for the ones that have been tortured to death. (I never understood GHW Bush putting Hussein "in a box". That didn't stop him from all the living hell that went on in the country.)

60 posted on 04/08/2003 3:30:27 PM PDT by the Deejay
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