PROPHET OR RACIST? Islam watcher Daniel Pipes (Pipes Vs Cair)

baptiststandard ^ | 4/7/2003 | Mark O'Keefe

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___"I don't want to go overboard with this," said Klein, a friend of Pipes, "but in the 1930s there were only a few people, like Winston Churchill, speaking about the truth of the barbaric German regime and how making peace with them was not possible.

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John Rossi’s recent article in The Weekly Standard told us of Winston Churchill’s opinion of Islam. Here --- read this:

"That religion, which above all others was founded and propagated by the sword--the tenets and principles of which are...incentives to slaughter and which in three continents had produced fighting breeds of men--stimulates a wild and merciless fanaticism."

Is it time to listen to Winston Churchill?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/736443/posts?page=28#28

[joesnuffy]

Not a prophet just a guy with a mind and a firm grip on reality....asking the non PC questions whose lack of PC bigotry allows him to explore areas off limits to his more ethically challanged colleauges

[joesnuffy]

The Wahhabi Lobby (CAIR) doesnt like this guy...that alone imo is a great endorsement...

[UncleSamUSA]

Pipes is doing a fantastic job of raising the alarm bells for Americans about how full of fanatic hate the Arab and Muslim world is toward the U.S.

The fact that the Islamic terror-apologists in the media wish to paint him as a polarizing influence and make ad hominem attacks on him just points out how TRULY IMPORTANT is the work he is doing, and how threatening it is to the Islamic terrorists.

Right on, Mr Pipes !!

[spodefly]

Pipes is obviously an intelligent person who has studied the subject, and present his views without the watered down PC that infests other discussions on the topic.

[Mo1]

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[AnnaZ]

RadioFR's Unspun Interview w/ Daniel Pipes -- 3/28/02
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[denydenydeny]

Nice, balanced article.

[Dr. Thorne]

Anti-Muslim bigotry = wisdom

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[patriot5186]

Pipes is not anti-Muslim - he's anti-Islamist. He's against those who use Islam as a political philosophy and wish to impose it on all. Of course, some of the groups that really are Islamists don't like anyone saying this to bring the issue out in broad daylight..after all, the more they can keep it secret the better for their plan.

[BenR2]

Anti-Muslim bigotry?????

If I understand your post correctly, I fear that you may suffer from a low tolerance level for the truth.

Your bio page says you are a Christian: Do you have ANY CLUE as to the oppressed condition of Christians living in predominately Muslim lands (to wit: Egypt; Iraq; Syria; Lebanon; Palestinian-governed areas of Israel; etc, etc)?

Take a look at this site: http://www.dhimmitude.org -- and THEN tell us that Professor Pipes is a bigot.

On the contrary, I fear that you may be "thinking" with your "feelings."

If you don't believe me, try walking into the Palestinian "refugee" camp in Gaza (in Israel) and start handing out Gospel tracts -- and see how many MINUTES you survive untouched.

Dr. Pipes is telling it like it is, my brother.

If CAIR were for real, they would shout to all the world how WELL Muslims are treated in this country, rather than whining all the time about how this Muslims feelings have been ruffled or that Muslim has been questioned for being in this country illegally.

If fact, if CAIR were for real, they would tell their Muslim friends in other lands: "Please treat the Christians in your countries as well as the Americans treat Muslims living in America."

I'm not holding my breath on these last two propositions.

[Gritty]

The advantage Pipes has is he not only has extensively studied Muslim culture, but has also been immersed in it as an outsider.

CAIR depends on their strident PC rhetoric to browbeat the logical arguments rather than face them with facts. They depend on noise and Western PC guilt to overcome opposition to this Islamist fanaticalism which wants to turn all societies into Islamic hell-holes as existed under the Taliban, Ayatollahs and Saddams of the world.

The Muslims are trying to accomplish this the only way they ever can and ever will - with the sword!

[Black Agnes]

The Muslims are trying to accomplish this the only way they ever can and ever will - with the sword!

The womb has been an effective weapon so far, especially in Europe.

[Matchett-PI]

You wrote: "..ad hominem attacks on him just points out how TRULY IMPORTANT is the work he is doing, and how threatening it is to the Islamic terrorists."

Exactly. The radical Islamofascist terrorists know he's after them, but they're trying to make people believe that he's after all Muslims.

His exact words, quote: "My position is that militant Islam is the problem, and moderate Islam is the solution."

Bush just proved that he knows the difference, himself [excerpts]:

Muslims Protest Bush Nominee (Daniel Pipes)
Washington Post ^ | 4/7/03 | Alan Cooperman
Posted on 04/07/2003 2:44 PM EDT by GOPcapitalist
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/887348/posts

It's Round 3 of the bare-knuckle slugfest between Daniel Pipes and U.S. Muslim organizations.

The first round was on the Internet, and it went to Pipes. The second round was on college campuses, and it went to Muslim groups. Round 3 is at the U.S. Institute of Peace.

President Bush last week nominated Pipes for a seat on the board of directors of USIP, a nonpartisan, federal think tank established by Congress to promote "the prevention, management and resolution of international conflicts."

The Council on American-Islamic Relations, a D.C.-based civil rights group, called on the White House to rescind the nomination or the Senate to reject it. [snip]

His positions are controversial. He says Muslim government employees in law enforcement, the military and the diplomatic corps "need to be watched for connections to terrorism." He also contends that "mosques require a scrutiny beyond that applied to churches and temples." [snip]

"My position is that militant Islam is the problem, and moderate Islam is the solution." [snip]

USIP spokesman John Brinkley said the group would not comment on Pipes's qualifications. "We work happily with whoever they choose to put on our board," he said. [snip]

At the end of 2000, Pipes put up a Web site to promote his writings, www.danielpipes.org. About the same time, someone else put up www.danielpipes.com, which transported visitors to a page on CAIR's Web site titled, "Who Is Daniel Pipes?"

Threatening a lawsuit, Pipes won back the rights to his domain name after about a year. CAIR denies it was behind the crafty appropriation of Pipes's name. Last year, the feud deepened when Pipes founded Campus Watch, a group devoted to exposing college teachers, events and organizations that justify terrorism, denigrate Israel and support radical Islam. CAIR and other Muslim groups decried the move as a threat to academic freedom and an effort to chill pro-Palestinian speech.

They won a show of solidarity when more than 100 professors across the country asked Pipes to add their names to his watch list.

CAIR spokesman Ibrahim Hooper said hundreds of CAIR's supporters have written to the White House asking the president to withdraw Pipes's nomination. Hooper said the group has not received a response from the White House.

Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A42881-2003Apr6.html

[Gritty]

The womb has been an effective weapon so far, especially in Europe.

I agree. But in the end, tipping the population scales in their favor does not ultimately succeed until they manage to bludgeon the minority (or compliant majority) into complete political, cultural and legal submission to Islamic Law.

That always includes, indeed, must include, "the sword".

[Thinkin' Gal]

PROPHET OR RACIST? Islam watcher Daniel Pipes (Pipes Vs Cair)

Hmmm?

[antaresequity]

I was reading a thread at DU and found this insightful post concerning Prof. Pipes

One thing that I'm particularly familiar with is that Pipes is always careful to make a distinction between Islam and militant Islam.

Here's a quote from the editor of Pakistan Today:

"He does not bash Muslims,” said Tashbih Sayyed, editor and publisher of Pakistan Today, based in Fontana, Calif. “What he attacks is a fascist interpretation of Islam. Daniel Pipes, to me, is the voice of reason. Only time will tell—and God forbid that time tells—what will happen if we ignore a voice like Daniel Pipes’.”

I could go into Dr. Pipes' academic and professional credentials (which are truly impressive) but I won't unless you want me to, since that's not the point. The point is that Daniel pipes is a decent and reasonable man who has been the focus of a sustained and focused smear campaign by the good folks at CAIR. He knows his subject (radical Islam and the Middle East) as well as just about anyone on earth and generally makes valid points.

You said:

"While a reasonable might surmise that not all Muslims are fundamentalists and not all Islamic funadamentalists are terrorists, Dr. Pipes argues otherwise:

To me, every fundamentalist Muslim, no matter how peaceable in his own behavior, is part of a murderous movement and is thus, in some fashion, a foot soldier in the war that bin Laden has launched against civilization."

In fact, you have misrepresented Dr. Pipes. Nowhere in the quote you put forth did he so much as suggest that "all Muslims are fundamentalists." To the contrary, as I have pointed out, Dr. Pipes has repeatedly argued just the opposite point:

"I write about the Middle East and Islam with an intent to help Americans understand the complexities of these subjects. Toward this end, I emphasize a distinction between Islam the religion and militant Islam the ideology. I respect the former but abominate the latter as a form of totalitarianism. And no matter what CAIR would have you believe, plenty of Muslims - both observant and not - agree with me."

http://www.danielpipes.org/article/984

Also, he did not say that all fundamentalist Muslims are terrorists any more than I would say that all Nazis were mass murderers. His point that all fundamentalist Muslims are part of a "murderous movement" is one that I would be happy to discuss with you.

So, you see, while I may occasionally cite a source that I may, upon reflection, regret using, that is not the case in this instance.

[JeepInMazar]

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