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Russian Accuses U.S. of Firing on Convoy
The Guardian (UK) ^ | April 7, 2003 | Associated Press

Posted on 04/07/2003 9:53:42 AM PDT by Mister Magoo

Russian Accuses U.S. of Firing on Convoy

Monday April 7, 2003 5:20 PM

MOSCOW (AP) - Russia's ambassador to Iraq on Monday accused American troops of firing on his convoy outside Baghdad, but a U.S. diplomat said it was still unclear who was responsible for the incident, which Russian officials said wounded at least four people.

Ambassador Vladimir Titorenko said U.S. forces fired on the convoy - which was carrying Russian diplomats and journalists toward Syria on Sunday - despite clear markings and efforts to let them know it was not carrying fighters.

``The economic counselor tried to signal to let them know we are foreigners but they fired at him and now he is suffering wounds to the head,'' Titorenko told the Saudi-owned Al-Arabiya satellite channel before heading for Syria.

``I informed Moscow and the embassy immediately that the Americans opened fire on a Russian diplomatic car and on the car of the Russian ambassador, which very clearly had the Russian flag on it,'' said Titorenko, whose broken index finger was bandaged.

He said that the firing from the Americans lasted 30-40 minutes, but it was unclear whether he meant that U.S. forces fired at the convoy for that period of time. A Russian journalist who was in the convoy said Sunday that it was caught in crossfire while passing Iraqi positions near Baghdad's outskirts and might have been hit by both U.S. and Iraqi forces.

A Russian Foreign Ministry spokesman said Russia had not yet received any official information from either the United States or the Iraqis and was awaiting their conclusions.

A senior U.S. diplomat said the United States had assured Russia that no harm was intended but was not accepting responsibility. ``It's still not clear how yesterday's incident unfolded, but it does appear that the Russian convoy came into an area where we were engaged in a firefight with Iraqi forces,'' the diplomat said.

The diplomat said the United States had coordinated with the Russians on the evacuation and had discussed various routes, but had stressed that they could not offer absolute safety guarantees because Iraq is a war zone and much of the route was not under U.S. control. The convoy was ``in the wrong place at the wrong time,'' the diplomat said.

In Qatar, Brig. Gen. Vincent Brooks said the U.S. Central Command had received reports about an exchange of gunfire that hit part of the convoy, but he added ``we don't have ... anything that would confirm the role of U.S. forces in that.''

``We do know it went through a contested area, an area that certainly had Iraqi forces present, and we fought those forces later in the day,'' Brooks said.

Titorenko and most of the diplomats crossed into Tanef, Syria, on Monday afternoon. A medically equipped Russian plane was to take them to Moscow on Tuesday.

One of the Russian diplomats underwent surgery and was at an Iraqi-controlled hospital in Fallujah, 50 kilometers (30 miles) west of Baghdad, on Monday, Foreign Ministry spokesman Alexander Yakovenko said. Another diplomat stayed with him.

Yakovenko did not comment on Russian media reports that bullet holes in the vehicle and a bullet removed from an injured diplomat matched the caliber of bullets from an American M-16 rifle.

The U.S. diplomat said both sides recognized that the incident would not affect U.S.-Russian ties. The shooting came as Russia and the United States are seeking to ensure that their differences over the war, which Russia opposes, do not ruin their relationship.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: flee; iraq; russia; titorenko; warlist
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1 posted on 04/07/2003 9:53:42 AM PDT by Mister Magoo
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To: Mister Magoo
If the firing lasted 30-40 minutes, and the US did the firing at the convoy intentionally, there would have been no survivors.
2 posted on 04/07/2003 9:55:35 AM PDT by Ingtar
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To: Mister Magoo
Chinese Embassies, Russians in trucks, they are just in the way of progress.
3 posted on 04/07/2003 9:57:03 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Semper Gumby - Always flexible)
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To: Ingtar
My thought, exactly. Even when we bomb FREINDLY convoys by mistake, we do a lot more damage than this.
4 posted on 04/07/2003 9:57:37 AM PDT by RANGERAIRBORNE
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To: Ingtar
That's what I thought as well. If Americans had been planning on killing the Russians, they would be dead.
5 posted on 04/07/2003 9:58:33 AM PDT by JeeperFreeper
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To: Mister Magoo
If they are so smart why did they wait till two days before the fall of bagdad to leave? Hedging their bets?
6 posted on 04/07/2003 9:58:54 AM PDT by try phecta tom ((Harvey RULES. Paul not the rabbit)
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To: Mister Magoo
Russia's ambassador to Iraq on Monday accused American troops of firing on his convoy outside Baghdad

The Russian "Ambassador" was quoted later saying:
"How can vee be expected to deleever our meessles, rifles and ammunition to Saddam's Army if the Amerikans are shooting at us like that."

7 posted on 04/07/2003 9:59:47 AM PDT by Johnny Gage (We will not tire, We will not falter, We will not fail. - President George W. Bush)
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To: Mister Magoo
They were crowding the plate--this was the brushback pitch.
8 posted on 04/07/2003 10:00:38 AM PDT by freelight
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To: Mister Magoo
I thought they told people to leave weeks ago.... This is a war zone, for goodness sakes.
9 posted on 04/07/2003 10:02:16 AM PDT by CheneyChick (Lock & Load)
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To: Mister Magoo

A better question than why did we fire on a convoy would be "why are these Russians in Iraq?"
10 posted on 04/07/2003 10:03:00 AM PDT by shadowman99
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To: Mister Magoo
Sounds like a scene from the movie "The Hunt for Red October":

"Captain, they're shooting at us!!!"
"Relax, Yevgenei. If they were really shooting at us, we'd be dead."
11 posted on 04/07/2003 10:05:09 AM PDT by Fides et Ratio
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To: Fides et Ratio
A Russian "diplomatic" convoy leaving Baghdad just before the fall. Smuggling out the old regime, perhaps?
12 posted on 04/07/2003 10:09:43 AM PDT by Semper Vigilantis (Powell in '08)
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Yakovenko did not comment on Russian media reports that bullet holes in the vehicle and a bullet removed from an injured diplomat matched the caliber of bullets from an American M-16 rifle.

According to a web site I just looked at:

The M-16 shoots a 5.56mm bullet.

The old AK-47 shoots a 7.62mm bullet.

The new AK-74 shoots a 5.45mm bullet.

A gun-savvy Doctor might be able to tell a used 5.56mm bullet from a 7.62mm bullet, but 5.56 from 5.45? I've no doubt that the US (we) may have shot up that convoy, but I'd be even less surprised to find out that the Russians had updated the weapons of the Iraqi forces.

13 posted on 04/07/2003 10:17:18 AM PDT by mad puppy (We will be there for as long as it takes...)
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To: freelight
They were crowding the plate--this was the brushback pitch.

Very good point. and that is coming from someone who knows about crowding the plate:

Minnie Minoso

15 posted on 04/07/2003 10:20:43 AM PDT by Michael.SF. ('Lack of concensus is no excuse for lack of leadership' - M. Thatcher)
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To: RANGERAIRBORNE
My bet is they were using the cover of a diplomatic convoy to sneak out Ba'athist thugs...
16 posted on 04/07/2003 10:21:05 AM PDT by ambrose
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To: Ingtar
**If the firing lasted 30-40 minutes, and the US did the firing at the convoy intentionally, there would have been no survivors. **

Exactly.

17 posted on 04/07/2003 10:21:42 AM PDT by homeschool mama
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To: TonyRo76
What business do the Russkies have staying in Baghdad this long? Trying to sell a few more cheap/dysfunctional GPS jamming units

Maybe Saddam had filed a warranty claim on the GPS units and they had just deliverd the replacement units:

"Refund? Vat is dis? Read yor Varranty. Defective units vill be replaced at no additional charge only!

18 posted on 04/07/2003 10:25:11 AM PDT by Michael.SF. ('Lack of concensus is no excuse for lack of leadership' - M. Thatcher)
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To: Mister Magoo
The Iraqi's said they would shoot deserters...
19 posted on 04/07/2003 10:29:48 AM PDT by 1 x 7 Twist... (You can have my MOAB when they pry it from my cold dead fingers...)
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Gee, there's a war on and we have A-10's flying around destroying anything that moves, and this idiot is upset when his convoy near Baghdad is attacked?!?! Anyway, his country has violated U.N. sanctions by supplying Kornet missiles and other weaponry to Hussein's regime, so why shouldn't he be considered a legitimate target?
20 posted on 04/07/2003 10:30:37 AM PDT by HenryLeeII
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