'10 minutes of the most intense fighting' (good read for tread heads)

cnn.com (I know, I know) ^ | Sunday, April 6, 2003 Posted: 1:38 AM EST (0638 GMT) | Walter Rodgers

[Blueflag]

Despite being outnumbered, the U.S. group vanquished the Iraqi Republican Guard force within minutes, thanks to superior armed vehicles and devastatingly powerful ammunition.

"My commander called me, gave me the warning order to be prepared to conduct an attack on 22 stationary T-72s [Soviet-built tanks used by the Iraqis] that the [U.S.] Air Force had identified," Lyle said.

"I selected a force, tank heavy, almost all the tanks in my troop, with some Bradleys [armored fighting vehicles] to go with it."

[Blueflag]

Good read about how the tankers 'attritted' dug in T-72s at long range.

[GingisK]

U.S. Bradley fighting vehicles, despite being lighter, wiped out some of the Soviet-vintage T-72 tanks, a significant military milestone.

Insult compounding injury. Can't help the chuckle.

[Blueflag]

Also, doing simple math -- If they eliminated 20 tanks and were outnumbered 2-to-1, they likely had about 10 Abrams and 2 Bradleys.

So, ten minutes to maneuver, acquire, shoot, maneuver, re-acquire (etc.) is mighty fine shootin'!

Wonder why the Air Force didn't put the ordinance on them when they spotted 'em? Or call in artillery? Seems to me they wanted the guys to have a live fire exercise. So be it.

[arkady_renko]

Wowsers!

A_R

[Archangelsk]

Yes, and thank God for chobom armor. It deflects sabot rounds like lawn darts.

[Krafty123]

What's cheaper? DU shells or bombs?

[SamAdams76]

The Iraqis haven't seen anything yet. Just wait until the 4ID comes on the scene! The 4th is the most advanced infantry division in the world.

[Archangelsk]

The main gun rounds from the Iraqi tanks, for the most part, fell short or flew too high, Lyle said.

Another technologic wonder of the M-1A1 is the ability to do combat boresighting while flying along at 50 MPH. The poor - and now dead - Iraqis probably had the old manual devices that are useless in combat.

[Blueflag]

4ID is on its way to Tikrit, to play in Saddam's home town. Doesn't the 4ID have M1-A2s also?

[Boundless]

At the bottom of the article:

> EDITOR'S NOTE: This report was written in accordance with
> Pentagon ground rules allowing so-called embedded
> reporting, in which journalists join deployed troops.
> Among the rules accepted by all participating news
> organizations is an agreement not to disclose sensitive
> operational details.

What is/was CNN's disclaimer for the "independent" reporters
filing stories from downtown Baghdad, at all time overseen
by "minders"?

Thought so.

[Blueflag]

"The poor - and now dead - Iraqis probably had the old manual devices that are useless in combat."

You bet! And when's the last time those poor sods got to light off a few rounds, let alone fire at a moving target. Face it, the Iraqis could barely see what they were aiming at from defillated positions, and didn't have the training, munitions, skills or weapons to win the battle. I love an unfair tank fight.

[SAMWolf]

Bump!!

[Blueflag]

A DU round for a 75MM chain gun would be MUCH cheaper than any guided HEAT munition the USAF would offer up. An old Viet Nam-era 500lb iron bomb might be cheaper...

[Archangelsk]

You bet! And when's the last time those poor sods got to light off a few rounds, let alone fire at a moving target. Face it, the Iraqis could barely see what they were aiming at from defillated positions, and didn't have the training, munitions, skills or weapons to win the battle. I love an unfair tank fight.

Ever try to lead an M-1A1 going full bore? If the Iraqi T-72s still had the old Russian analog sighting systems their best bet was to abandon tank and get some cover before the turbo DU splashed their turrets. I don't think the Russians sold them laser sighting systems or the fire control computers that could instantaneously get a solution.

[Daus]

Doesn't the 4ID have M1-A2s also?

They do. Anyone have any kind of breakdown of the difference between the 1's and the 2's?

[Archangelsk]

They do. Anyone have any kind of breakdown of the difference between the 1's and the 2's?

My guess is that the 2's probably have the next generation of TIS and integrated GPS systems. I've been out of the armor loop for awhile so that's just a SWAG.

[Gamecock]

From http://www.army-technology.com/projects/abrams/index.html



M1A1 / M1A2 ABRAMS MAIN BATTLE TANK, USA
The M1A1/2 Abrams main battle tank is manufactured by General Dynamics Land Systems (GDLS). The first M1 tank was produced in 1978, the M1A1 in 1985 and the M1A2 in 1986. 3,273 M1 tanks were produced for the US Army. 4,796 M1A1 tanks were built for the US Army, 221 for the US Marines and 555 co-produced with Egypt. Egypt has ordered a further 200 M1A1 tanks with production to continue to 2005. 77 M1A2 tanks have been built for the US Army, 315 for Saudi Arabia and 218 for Kuwait. For the M1A2 Upgrade Program, over 600 M1 Abrams tanks are being upgraded to M1A2 configuration. Deliveries began in 1998.

M1A2 SYSTEM ENHANCEMENT PACKAGE (SEP)
In February 2001, GDLS were contracted to supply 240 M1A2 tanks with a system enhancement package (SEP) by 2004. The M1A2 SEP contains an embedded version of the US Army's Force XXI command and control architecture; new Raytheon Commander's Independent Thermal Viewer (CITV) with second generation thermal imager; commander's display for digital colour terrain maps; DRS Techologies second generation GEN II TIS thermal imaging gunner’s sight with increased range; driver's integrated display and thermal management system. The US Army planned to procure a total of 1150 M1A2 SEP tanks but the US Army has decided to cancel future production of the M1A2 SEP from FY2004.

Under the Firepower Enhancement Package (FEP), DRS Techologies has also been awarded a contract for the GEN II TIS to upgrade US Marine Corps M1A1 tanks. GEN II TIS is based on the 480 x 4 SADA (Standard Advanced Dewar Assembly) detector.

M1 ABRAMS ARMAMENT
The main armament is the 120mm M256 smoothbore gun, developed by Rheinmetall GmbH of Germany. The 120mm gun fires the following ammunition: the M865 TPCSDS-T and M831 TP-T training rounds, the M8300 HEAT-MP-T and the M829 APFSDS-T which includes a depleted uranium penetrator. Textron Systems provides the Cadillac Gage gun turret drive stabilisation system.

The commander has a 12.7mm Browning M2 machine gun and the loader has a 7.62mm M240 machine gun. A 7.62mm M240 machine gun is also mounted coaxially on the right hand side of the main armament.

DEPLETED URANIUM ARMOUR
The M1A1 tank incorporates steel encased depleted uranium armour. Armour bulkheads separate the crew compartment from the fuel tanks. The top panels of the tank are designed to blow outwards in the event of penetration by a HEAT projectile. The tank is protected against nuclear, biological and chemical (NBC) warfare.

One L8A1 six-barrelled smoke grenade discharger is fitted on each side of the turret. A smoke screen can also be laid by an engine operated system.

FIRE CONTROL AND OBSERVATION

The commander's station is equipped with six periscopes, providing 360 degree view. The Raytheon Commander's Independent Thermal Viewer (CITV) provides the commander with independent stabilised day and night vision with a 360 degree view, automatic sector scanning, automatic target cueing of the gunner's sight and back-up fire control.

The M1A2 Abrams tank has a two-axis Raytheon Gunner's Primary Sight- Line of Sight (GPS-LOS) which increases the first round hit probability by providing faster target acquisition and improved gun pointing. The Thermal Imaging System (TIS) has magnification x10 narrow field of view and x3 wide field of view. The thermal image is displayed in the eyepiece of the gunner's sight together with the range measurement from a laser rangefinder. The Northrop Grumman (formerly Litton) Laser Systems Eyesafe Laser Rangefinder (ELRF) has a range accuracy to within 10m and target discrimination of 20m. The gunner also has a Kollmorgen Model 939 auxiliary sight with magnification x8 and field of view 8 degrees.

The digital fire control computer is supplied by General Dynamics - Canada (formerly Computing Devices Canada). The fire control computer automatically calculates the fire control solution based on: lead angle measurement; bend of the gun measured by the muzzle reference system; velocity measurement from a wind sensor on the roof of the turret; data from a pendulum static cant sensor located at the centre of the turret roof. The operator manually inputs data on ammunition type, temperature, and barometric pressure.

The driver has either three observation periscopes or two periscopes on either side and a central image intensifying periscope for night vision. The periscopes provide 120 degrees field of view. The DRS Technologies Driver's Vision Enhancer (DVE), AN/VSS-5, is based on a 328 x 245 element uncooled infrared detector array, operating in the 7.5 to 13 micron waveband. A Raytheon Driver's Thermal Viewer, AN/VAS-3, is installed on the M1A2 Abrams tanks for Kuwait.

PROPULSION

The M1 is equipped with a Honeywell AGT 1500 gas turbine engine. The Allison X-1100-3B transmission provides four forward and two reverse gears. The US Army has selected Honeywell International Engines and Systems and General Electric to develop a new LV100-5 gas turbine engine for the M1A2. The new engine is lighter and smaller with rapid acceleration, quieter running and no visible exhaust.

[Archangelsk]

Under the Firepower Enhancement Package (FEP), DRS Techologies has also been awarded a contract for the GEN II TIS to upgrade US Marine Corps M1A1 tanks. GEN II TIS is based on the 480 x 4 SADA (Standard Advanced Dewar Assembly) detector.

Gee, I love it when I'm partly right. :-)

[tomahawk]

What an awesome piece of machinery.

[Daus]

Thanks. :)