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Bush Mix of God and War Grates on Many Europeans
AP via Yahoo News ^ | 4/4/03 | Tom Heneghan

Posted on 04/06/2003 10:08:46 AM PDT by marshmallow

PARIS (Reuters) - The religious overtones in President Bush (news - web sites)'s speeches increasingly grate on many ears in Europe, where leaders invoking God in times of war are widely suspect of misusing faith for political purposes.

No less than the German president, French prime minister and Belgian foreign minister have joined religious leaders in expressing concern about Bush's beliefs and the place of religion in U.S. politics.

Media commentators, especially in northern European countries with Protestant heritages, have branded Bush's evangelical views as Christian fundamentalism, with some even comparing them to the Islamic fundamentalism of Osama bin Laden (news - web sites).

The discussion reflects both the widespread popular anti-war sentiment in Europe and the deeper gulf between a continent where faith is on the wane and an America where religious values probably play a more prominent political role than ever before.

German President Johannes Rau, a Protestant preacher's son who makes no secret of his own faith, reacted sharply this week on n-tv television to press reports that Bush believed defeating Iraqi President Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) was part of a divine plan.

"George Bush has got a completely one-sided message. I don't think a people gets a sign from God to liberate another people," he said. "Nowhere does the Bible call for crusades."

Belgian Foreign Minister Louis Michel, a vocal critic of the war, said before hostilities broke out last month that he saw Christian fundamentalism gaining influence in Washington and added: "That is, of course, a dangerous point of departure."

French Prime Minister Jean-Pierre Raffarin, asked about a U.S. weekly's cover story on Bush and God, told Le Point magazine: "In no way can God be called on for a vote of confidence."

UNEASE AT GOD TALK

Bush's firm faith, rooted in an evangelical Protestantism that reflects an important voter bloc in his Republican party, has also prompted questions in mainstream U.S. media about how much it colors his stand on Iraq (news - web sites) and his war on terror.

In his speeches, he has asked for guidance from "the loving God behind all of life and all of history," hinted he believed there was a "divine plan" for the world and warned Americans that "we are in a conflict between good and evil."

These references may not seem so out of place in the United States, where all presidents say "God bless America" and "In God We Trust" is emblazoned on dollar bills.

But they stand out and sometimes even shock many Europeans who remember how German soldiers trooped off to World War One with "Gott mit uns" (God with us) stamped on their belt buckles.

"I believe George Bush's religious views are genuine," Cardinal Karl Lehmann, head of the German Bishop's Conference, told the Catholic weekly Rheinischer Merkur in an interview on Thursday. "But this careless way of using religious language is not acceptable anymore in today's world."

In Sweden, invoking God in politics is so unusual that parliamentarian Hans Lindqvist told Reuters: "I've never seen anything like this before."

Commentators in Britain, where Prime Minister Tony Blair (news - web sites)'s firm but discreet Christian beliefs have also aroused critical attention, have described Bush as "chaplain in chief" and analyzed his use of religious phrases and images in detail.

"For world-weary Europe, the presidential language evokes mirth and queasiness in equal measure," The Independent wrote.

In France, where even practicing Catholic or Jewish politicians shrink from mentioning religion, the daily Le Monde reacted sharply last week to the news that the U.S. House of Representatives had called for a day of national prayer and fasting to secure divine blessings for U.S. troops in Iraq.

"This bizarre approach shocks Europeans," it said in an editorial. Its religion correspondent accused Bush and Iraqi President Saddam Hussein of "gross misuse" of religion.

"One is tempted to say the destiny of America is in the hands of a small group of Protestant bigots," Henri Tincq wrote.

The religious side of Bush's thinking has attracted much less public attention in traditionally Catholic countries such as Ireland, Italy and Spain, where the Roman church has lost most of the vast influence it used to wield in secular affairs.

Media there have focused mostly on whether the Iraq conflict is a just war, sometimes quoting the pronounced anti-war stand of Pope John Paul (news - web sites) II.

Russia, which in its old communist days might have churned out caustic criticism about the White House and "the opium of the people," has also shown little interest in Bush's beliefs.

"Politicians now routinely invoke God and Orthodoxy for all sorts of things," one longtime foreign resident remarked. "You can't open a billiard hall without an Orthodox priest present." (Additional reporting by Bart Crols in Brussels, Andrew Hay in London, Erik Kirschbaum in Berlin, Patrick McLoughlin in Stockholm, Ron Popeski in Moscow, Carlos Santamaria in Madrid, Estelle Shirbon in Rome and Kevin Smith in Dublin)


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To: marshmallow
Let me understand this. If we act during the muslim "holy" time or bomb a mosque, we're condemned in the world's eyes. Yet, these effete atheist/agonostics are going to tell us what to believe in the USA, thus interfering with our internal politics and beliefs.

Gosh, now I remember why my ancestors left the homeland.

21 posted on 04/06/2003 10:32:31 AM PDT by Paraclete
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To: marshmallow
Good humor. A predomoninantly Christian nation brings freedom, food, and medicine to a country whose muslim leader has brought them beatings, hunger, and death. And the French, of all people, find it "dangerous" that our president seeks God's wisdom during the process. Laughable.
22 posted on 04/06/2003 10:32:54 AM PDT by so_real (Meteorology is [my] Life)
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To: dighton
In 20 years, the opinions of sissy white Europreans won't mean a darn thing. The European Union will be ruled by Muslim immigrants.
23 posted on 04/06/2003 10:34:22 AM PDT by Kuksool
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To: marshmallow
SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP. (Not you, Marsh...the international world).
24 posted on 04/06/2003 10:34:55 AM PDT by Hildy
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To: marshmallow
I just read what William Donohue of the Catholic League said on this very subject."This is the way the Bush-fearing gang operates. They put words in his mouth and then denounce him for saying what he never said. We pray the president continues to invoke God's name whenever he sees fit and does not yield to those who tremble when he does."
25 posted on 04/06/2003 10:34:55 AM PDT by ardara
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To: marshmallow
SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP. (Not you, Marsh...the international world).
26 posted on 04/06/2003 10:34:55 AM PDT by Hildy
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To: marshmallow
It's nothing new. And Bush's religous statements are just as bland as any of his recent predecessors. I don't believe any European country has a mandated seperation between church and state, and many mix church and state as a matter of tradition. So who are they to talk?
27 posted on 04/06/2003 10:35:31 AM PDT by MattAMiller
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To: marshmallow
All these Gaia worshippers are jealous because their god is a wuss.
28 posted on 04/06/2003 10:36:36 AM PDT by uglybiker (Foolish Liberal!! Your negative vibes only make me stronger!)
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To: Zipporah
Interesting.. I sure haven't heard the Europeans reprimanding the Muslims for their "God" talk..

Isn't that odd? The wildest European imams can preach hate and death, and no comment. The Islmaics are the world's leading cause of terrorism, but a Christian makes the Euros nervous. Write "Ichabod" on the gates of Western Europe, for the glory has truly departed.

29 posted on 04/06/2003 10:36:49 AM PDT by xJones
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To: MattAMiller
..hmm maybe they have forgotten about the Pilgrims..that they escaped England due to religious persecution.
30 posted on 04/06/2003 10:37:53 AM PDT by Zipporah
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To: marshmallow
Who cares?
31 posted on 04/06/2003 10:39:44 AM PDT by Tench_Coxe
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To: marshmallow
It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists but by Christians, not on religion but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. - Patrick Henry

He who shall introduce into public affairs the principals of Christianity will change the face of the world. - Benjamin Franklin

It is the duty of all nations as well as of men to own a dependance upon the over-ruling power of God and to recognize the sublime truth announced in the Holy Scriptures and proven by all history that those nations only are blessed whose god is the Lord. - Abraham Lincoln

Bibles and Gunpowder are equal foundations of the American Revolution and the continuation of individual liberty today; for freedom to exist, both God and guns must be held closely. - Van Jenerette

32 posted on 04/06/2003 10:40:27 AM PDT by Van Jenerette (Our Republic...If We Can Keep It!)
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To: marshmallow
My how far they've fallen. You know there was a time when they believed in God and while they were colonizing the earth, passing along christianity with it. What happened?
33 posted on 04/06/2003 10:40:44 AM PDT by cyborg
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To: DensaMensa
Along with this, I've found that heathens often think they can push Christians around, sometimes trying to manipulate them using the Bible (which they don't understand)

A sophist is a sophist. Makes no difference whether he's a religious, philosophical or some other kind of sophist. Those who understand always see through them and those who choose ignorance always fall victim to them.

34 posted on 04/06/2003 10:41:38 AM PDT by templar
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To: marshmallow
The fact that France is filled with the frog/weasel/worm/monkey race grates on my last nerve.
35 posted on 04/06/2003 10:42:35 AM PDT by beaversmom (After the Axis of Evil on to the Axis of Weasels)
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To: marshmallow
Anytime Bush can make EU whine, scream and shout he's doing a great job! Go, Dubya!
36 posted on 04/06/2003 10:42:37 AM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: marshmallow
The Europeans have their arms outstretched to the "moon god" while attempting to kick the God of Abraham out. Refer to prior false god worship in the Old Testament and how it was received in heaven.
37 posted on 04/06/2003 10:43:13 AM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: Nagual
God Bless America

We will remain the best if we continue grating on their nerves.

38 posted on 04/06/2003 10:44:34 AM PDT by beaversmom (After the Axis of Evil on to the Axis of Weasels)
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To: marshmallow
I Euronate on Dubya's critics. I do not, however, paeon them.
39 posted on 04/06/2003 10:47:34 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: Zipporah
}maybe they have forgotten about the Pilgrims..that they escaped England

Not to mention the protestant Huguenots who escaped the French massacres and burnings at the stake to later appear many places in the world. (America, Canada, England, South Africa, etc...)

40 posted on 04/06/2003 10:47:37 AM PDT by DensaMensa (He who controls the definitions controls history. He who controls the past controls the future.)
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