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In Rules for Radicals, Alinsky says: “Here I propose to present an arrangement of certain facts and general concepts of change, a step toward a science of revolution.”

Slyfox posted 03/23/00: It would be quite safe to say that both Billy-boy and the Rodham have sucked from the teats of Lucifer......

Doctor Raoul posted 03/23/00: Rules for Radicals opens with a quote about Lucifer, written by Saul Alinsky: “Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins -- or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom -- Lucifer.”

1 posted on 04/06/2003 9:34:52 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Fintan
Alinski BUMP
2 posted on 04/06/2003 10:03:37 AM PDT by alisasny
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To: Liz
“Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules. You can kill them with this. They can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.”

This is one of the statements that really resonates with me regarding the democrats and of the Clintons in particular. And they conveniently shift their own rules to suit their agenda at the moment. In the end, we will prevail over their web of lies.

3 posted on 04/06/2003 10:08:46 AM PDT by Thebaddog (Fetch this)
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To: Liz
Bush's oft maligned "new tone" is a pretty good response to this goading and ridicule, a form of rope-a-dope, requiring a solid foundation in faith. Hitlery has met her match, more than her match, far more. Thank God.
4 posted on 04/06/2003 10:12:20 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (Mooo !!!!)
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To: Liz
The tactics of the left are transparently consistent with this. This is particularly manifest in recent protests.

I sometimes wonder how many people, even in the activist right, understand how truly dangerous the Left is? As dangerous or more so than the Islamo-fascists.

But of course, there is growing nexus between the world left and world Islamo-fascists, whose cause is essentially the same--destruction of the West. Primary target: The US.

Fukiyama's notion that history is over is quite obviously incorrect.

5 posted on 04/06/2003 10:26:09 AM PDT by Interious
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To: Liz
Commies by any other name are still commies and that includes bent weinie willie and his les wife hitlery.
6 posted on 04/06/2003 10:46:51 AM PDT by hgro
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Alinsky considered Hillary a terrific “organizer” and wanted her to become his protege. She declined.

Can you elaborate on this personal connection? (I know that Hillary was an Alinsky fan, but I didn't know that Alinsky was a Hillary fan.)

9 posted on 04/06/2003 12:53:34 PM PDT by the_doc
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To: Liz
"Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules."

Great tactic. Since the RATS abandoned rules a long time ago, nothing can stick. The down side for the RATS - they have no way to document success. I, for one, hope they keep it up!

The folks with rules usually put the folks without rules behind bars...

14 posted on 04/06/2003 3:11:19 PM PDT by Libloather
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Rules for Radicals teaches the organizer that he must give a moral appearance (as opposed to behaving morally): “All effective action requires the passport of morality.”

Back in chicago in my early twenties, 2349871234817264 years ago (alas), one of my first jobs was running Chi office for an importer of Brit sports cars (Lotus). This was a political job, in part, as I had to tweak local officials to get the cars through customs and also make sure they were handled gently.

My contact at Port of Chicago was a fellow not much older than I, a DemonRat underling on the way up in party and city politics. He took a shine to me and was always telling me about his affairs in great detail (though he was married). The object of his game was of course to bed me...but he never asked directly, as that would have appeared immoral. Instead, he described his prowess with others interminably hoping I'd take the bait. Naturally I did not, but enjoyed watching his machinations. I could not tell him to go to hades, as I needed him to get those cars through.

He also extolled the virtures of Saul Alinsky all the time...no doubt he'd learned his slimy immoral techniques from the master. I've been wary of Alinsky proselitizers ever since. They cannot be trusted with anything. Being in the same wroom with an Alinsky afficionado is like being in a room with a poisonous snake. You have to keep one eye on them every minute.

15 posted on 04/06/2003 3:50:18 PM PDT by PoisedWoman (Fed up with the liberal media)
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To: Liz
Rules for Radicals opens with a quote about Lucifer

Which is why every leftist is nothing but a mirror image of Satan in human form. They are the Lie made flesh. They are the spirit of the Antichrist, a cancer trying to eat away at creation. God created order out of chaos by imposing His will, and the Left (at the instigation of Satan) is simply trying to impose chaos upon that order. The entire philosophy of the Left runs counter to the very fabric of the universe. They are like a river which fights to flow upstream, rebelling against natural law. They will not succeed, but they will not stop trying to subvert truth and reality until they are finally destroyed by the God they hate so much.

19 posted on 04/06/2003 6:41:06 PM PDT by laz17 (Socialism is the religion of the atheist.)
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Rules for CRIMINALS are as doomed as the CRIMINALS that try to implement them. The arrogance of the CRIMINAL is no match for the individual that understands FREEDOM.
20 posted on 04/06/2003 8:55:31 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: Liz
Maybe the public should hear more about Hitlery and Bill and Saul. Maybe the public should read Hitlery's thesis.
21 posted on 04/07/2003 9:34:43 AM PDT by freekitty
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To: Liz
None of this is news. Barbara Olson's book, "Hell To Pay" which dissects Miss Hillary, used Alinsky's comments as chapter lead-ins.

We miss ya, BKO - E
22 posted on 04/07/2003 3:38:47 PM PDT by Endeavor
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To: Liz
I still like my namesake's aphorism from 200 years ago...

"Fear, greed and vanity. These are the three great levers by which men are moved."

And the left has paid close attention, haven't they?

    * Fear -- Because of George Bush, this poor black man got dragged to his death in Texas.

    * Greed -- We must put a stop to George Bush's war on terrorism, so that money can be used for better purposes, such as "free" education, "free" income, "free" medical care and anything else you want for "free."

    * Vanity -- you're just as deserving of high grades, school admission, professional licensure and six-figure income as anybody else, just because you exist.


28 posted on 04/08/2003 1:59:43 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: Liz
Bump for later.
31 posted on 04/08/2003 2:36:43 PM PDT by Springman
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To: Liz; the_doc
Hardly had she raised her foot to step over the threshold of radicalism than she turned back. She declined to go with the SNCC, turned down an offer to work with Saul Alinsky as a community organizer in Chicago.

Anderson quotes her political science prof at Wellesley, Alan Schecter, as saying that by the late l960s his pupil had decided that the best radical strategy was to "'use the legal system' as an agent of change." She wasn't alone in that calculation. The long march of the left through the courtrooms was under way: the world would become a better place, courtesy of courtroom briefs, complaints and class action suits.

She declines the road that led to West 11th St and goes instead to Yale Law School. She works for John Doar, helping draft articles of impeachment against Nixon.

Overlawyered.com

37 posted on 04/08/2003 4:05:26 PM PDT by fight_truth_decay (occupied)
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To: Liz; PhiKapMom; section9; JohnHuang2
Bill's triangulation (learned from Dick Morris, learned from Saul Alinsky) was simply dialectic, thesis, antithesis, synthesis.

Communists got quite good at three steps forward, two steps back.

Hitlery is such a bitch, she'll never be as successful as Bill.

Bill proved an effective Lucifer, assuming a pleasing shape to enough to get elected to power.

That of course is Alinsky's advice, assume that camouflage, don't eat that ham sandwich in front of the Jewish rally.

Hitlery, being strident, dogmatic, unbending, fails this test at all times.

Hitlery is an it, ultimately defined as an aggressive lesbian per the anecdote of Gennifer Flowers straight from the traitorrapist's mouth (Passion & Betrayal, Emery Dalton, 1995, page 41, and elsewhere).

Thus she's blown through Alinsky's stern counsel to assume enough of the "square to get in the game".

And Hitlery further marginalized itself in the health care fiasco, demanding 99%, rather than compromising with the 30% advised by Alinsky.

The so-called ethical relativism of Alinsky and Hitlery distils to any lie for power.

Bill was a world-class parser, able to keep himself on the technically true side of lying.

Hitlery is continually forced to refuse comment with disdain, feign horror a la Lazio's gambit, or simply limp along with a cane, be it "you know" or "I wasn't involved" or "I'm sadly disappointed" by her obese excrescent brother, e.g.

Oddly enough Sharpton would be her natural ally at this time.

Sharpton is the demagogue most adept at the game, for he announces the emperor is naked, the so-called leaders of the left, from Hitlery to the killer of Kopechne are given a pass from the probing questions he fields.

Hitlery has failed serially to muddy-up and degrade George W. Bush, yet continues with the same attempts to personalize the target.

Hitlery failed to instill the "homeland security is a myth" poison, and is so befuddled for the next attack Simon & Schuster despairs of its book.

Rush Limbuagh has said Hitlery is waiting for a point in the Iraq war to back-date its check.

Hitlery's success relies upon the ability of Democrats to block an effective tax cut plus the ability of Democrats and the Democrat press to degrade the accomplishments of the Iraq campaign.

Democrats plus the UN, France, Germany, Russia, China and the leftist media were not enough to prevent the Iraq campaign, and are not likely to be able to suppress the U.S. economy to their communal advantage.

The barnyard animals who would not help bake the bread will now demand to eat it, and when denied will misrepresent its qualities.

From Hitlery we shall have the "myth of Bush's victory in Iraq"--we expect no less kooky a canard from the adultery denier hallucinating a "vast right-wing conspiracy".

39 posted on 04/08/2003 4:53:50 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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Clintoons were moral degenerates and power hungry to the nth degree. Hope Hitlery never occupies the White House.
40 posted on 04/08/2003 5:01:31 PM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: Liz
Threw my brother off of his computer to Freep. ( I can quit anytime I want...)

Have you ever noticed that the left refers to the "science" of revolution or communism? Or the "inevibility" of socialism? This doesnt just smack of the Clintons, but the left in general. How did this country ever survive them? God, I really hate them!

43 posted on 04/08/2003 7:32:57 PM PDT by cardinal4 (The Senate Armed Services Comm; the Chinese pipeline into US secrets)
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To: Liz
I had this saved in my WordFile from a few months ago. There are 12 of them, but I'll list just the first three as I'm at work.
Some tips from Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals".
Some of these rules are ruthless, but they work. Here are the rules to be aware of:

RULE 1: "Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have." Power is derived from 2 main sources - money and people. "Have-Nots" must build power from flesh and blood. (These are two things of which there is a plentiful supply. Government and corporations always have a difficult time appealing to people, and usually do so almost exclusively with economic arguments.)
RULE 2: "Never go outside the expertise of your people." It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone. (Organizations under attack wonder why radicals don't address the "real" issues. This is why. They avoid things with which they have no knowledge.)
RULE 3: "Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy." Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty. (This happens all the time. Watch how many organizations under attack are blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then forced to address.)
It's rather easy to see Saul Alinskys influence on her entire life.She's truly a wretched human.
54 posted on 04/09/2003 10:49:29 AM PDT by Pagey (Hillary Rotten is a Smug , Holier-Than-Thou Socialist)
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To: Liz
Hillary (I still can't believe that the morons on NYS voted her in) said today in a radio interview that she cannot believe how horrible the federal budget is andhow it shortchanges the people in NYS and its schools. She further said that when she sees the dilapidated schools in NYS she does not understand how children in Iraq will get better schools than children in NYS and how Americans should be angry about that.

IS there any thinking American who does not realize now what a despicable creature she is...

56 posted on 04/11/2003 6:32:00 PM PDT by eleni121
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