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BILL, HILLARY, SAUL, AND MORAL RELATIVISM Saul Alinsky and the Lessons He Taught Bill and Hillary
FR ^ | 03/23/00 | The Wanderer

Posted on 04/06/2003 9:34:52 AM PDT by Liz

Rules for Radicals by Saul Alinsky Courtesy of The Wanderer. From a FR post dated 03/23/00.

Saul Alinsky wrote two books outlining his organizational principles and strategies: Reveille for Radicals (1946) and Rules for Radicals (1971).

Rules for Radicals opens with a quote about Lucifer, written by Saul Alinsky: “Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins -- or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom -- Lucifer.”

In Rules for Radicals, Alinsky says: “Here I propose to present an arrangement of certain facts and general concepts of change, a step toward a science of revolution.” He builds on the tactical principles of Machiavelli: “The Prince was written by Machiavelli for the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-nots on how to take it away.”

Rules for Radicals is concerned with the acquisition of power: “my aim here is to suggest how to organize for power: how to get it and how to use it.” This is not to be done with assistance to the poor, nor even by organizing the poor to demand assistance: “...[E]ven if all the low-income parts of our population were organized ... it would not be powerful enough to get significant, basic, needed changes.”

Alinsky advises the organizer to target the middle class, rather than the poor: “Organization for action will now and in the decade ahead center upon America’s white middle class. That is where the power is.”

Alinsky is interested in the middle class solely for its usefulness: “Our rebels have contemptuously rejected the values and the way of life of the middle class. They have stigmatized it as materialistic, decadent, bourgeois, degenerate, imperialistic, war-mongering, brutalized and corrupt. They are right; but we must begin from where we are if we are to build power for change, and the power and the people are in the middle class majority.”

To accomplish this, Alinsky writes that the organizer must “begin to dissect and examine that way of life [the middle class lifestyle] ... He will know that ‘square’ is no longer to be dismissed as such -- instead his own approach must be ‘square’ enough to get the action started.”

Rules for Radicals defends belief that the end justifies the means: “to say that corrupt the ends,” writes Alinsky, “is to believe in the immaculate conception of ends and principles ... the practical revolutionary will understand ... [that] in action, one does not always enjoy the luxury of a decision that is consistent both with one’s individual conscience and the good of mankind.”

Altogether, Alinsky provides eleven rules of the ethics of means and ends. They are morally relativistic:

“The practical revolutionary will understand Goethe’s ‘conscience is the virtue of observers and not of agents of action’; in action, one does not always enjoy the luxury of a decision that is consistent both with one’s individual conscience and the good of mankind.”

“The second rule of the ethics of the means and ends is that the judgment of the ethics of means is dependent on the political position of those sitting in judgment.” Alinsky elaborates his meaning on this point, saying that if you were a member of the underground Resistance, “... then you adopted the means of assassination, terror, property destruction, the bombing of tunnels and trains, kidnapping, and the willingness to sacrifice innocent hostages to the end of defeating the Nazi’s. Those who opposed the Nazi’s conquerors regarded the Resistance as a secret army of selfless, patriotic idealists ....” Rules for Radicals is therefore concerned with how to win. “...[I]n such a conflict, neither protagonist is concerned with any value except victory.”

“The third rule of the ethics of means and ends is that in war the ends justifies almost any means.”

“There can be no such thing as a successful traitor, for if one succeeds, he becomes a founding father.”

Rules for Radicals teaches the organizer that he must give a moral appearance (as opposed to behaving morally): “All effective action requires the passport of morality.”

The tenth rule of the ethics of means and ends states “that you do what you can with what you have and clothe it with moral arguments ... Moral rationalization is indispensable at all times of action whether to justify the selection or the use of ends or means.”

Rules for Radicals provides the organizer with a tactical style for community organization that assumes an adversarial relationship between groups of people in which one either dominates or is dominated.

“The first rule of power tactics is: power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have.”

“Wherever possible go outside the experience of the enemy. Here you want to cause confusion, fear, and retreat.”

“Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules. You can kill them with this. They can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.”

Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counterattack ridicule. Also, it infuriates the opposition, who then react to your advantage.”

“The threat is generally more terrifying than the thing itself.”

“In a fight almost anything goes. It almost reaches the point where you stop to apologize if a chance blow lands above the belt.”

“Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”

One of the criteria for picking the target is the target’s vulnerability ... the other important point in the choosing of a target is that it must be a personification, not something general and abstract.”

“The enemy properly goaded and guided in his reaction will be your major strength.”

Saul Alinsky urged the active and deliberate “conscious-raising” (Ed note: a tactic used by feminists) of people through the technique of “popular education.” Popular education is a method by which an organizer leads people to a class-based interpretation of their grievances, and to accept the organizer’s systemic solutions to address those grievances. “Through the People’s Organization these groups [of citizens] discover that what they considered primarily their individual problem is also the problem of others, and furthermore the only hope for solving an issue of titanic proportions is by pooling all their efforts and strengths. That appreciation and conclusion is an educational process.”

Rules for Radicals stresses organizational power-collecting: “The ego of the organizer is stronger and more monumental than the ego of the leader. The organizer is in a true sense reaching for the highest level for which a man can reach -- to create, to be a ‘great creator’, to play God.” Alinsky considered Hillary a terrific “organizer” and wanted her to become his protege. She declined. She had bigger fish to fry. She learned her lessons well. She and Bill have employed Alinsky’s tactics probably better than anyone else.


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In Rules for Radicals, Alinsky says: “Here I propose to present an arrangement of certain facts and general concepts of change, a step toward a science of revolution.”

Slyfox posted 03/23/00: It would be quite safe to say that both Billy-boy and the Rodham have sucked from the teats of Lucifer......

Doctor Raoul posted 03/23/00: Rules for Radicals opens with a quote about Lucifer, written by Saul Alinsky: “Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins -- or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom -- Lucifer.”

1 posted on 04/06/2003 9:34:52 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Fintan
Alinski BUMP
2 posted on 04/06/2003 10:03:37 AM PDT by alisasny
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To: Liz
“Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules. You can kill them with this. They can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.”

This is one of the statements that really resonates with me regarding the democrats and of the Clintons in particular. And they conveniently shift their own rules to suit their agenda at the moment. In the end, we will prevail over their web of lies.

3 posted on 04/06/2003 10:08:46 AM PDT by Thebaddog (Fetch this)
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To: Liz
Bush's oft maligned "new tone" is a pretty good response to this goading and ridicule, a form of rope-a-dope, requiring a solid foundation in faith. Hitlery has met her match, more than her match, far more. Thank God.
4 posted on 04/06/2003 10:12:20 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (Mooo !!!!)
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To: Liz
The tactics of the left are transparently consistent with this. This is particularly manifest in recent protests.

I sometimes wonder how many people, even in the activist right, understand how truly dangerous the Left is? As dangerous or more so than the Islamo-fascists.

But of course, there is growing nexus between the world left and world Islamo-fascists, whose cause is essentially the same--destruction of the West. Primary target: The US.

Fukiyama's notion that history is over is quite obviously incorrect.

5 posted on 04/06/2003 10:26:09 AM PDT by Interious
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To: Liz
Commies by any other name are still commies and that includes bent weinie willie and his les wife hitlery.
6 posted on 04/06/2003 10:46:51 AM PDT by hgro
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To: hgro
In spades.
7 posted on 04/06/2003 11:25:54 AM PDT by Liz
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To: PGalt; Grampa Dave; Libloather; Mudboy Slim; skinkinthegrass
ALINSKY: "One of the criteria for picking the target is the target’s vulnerability ... the other important point in the choosing of a target is that it must be a personification, not something general and abstract.” “The enemy properly goaded and guided in his reaction will be your major strength.”

Hitlery's VRWC crack woulda made Saul proud.

8 posted on 04/06/2003 11:30:02 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Slyfox; Doctor Raoul; Liz
Alinsky considered Hillary a terrific “organizer” and wanted her to become his protege. She declined.

Can you elaborate on this personal connection? (I know that Hillary was an Alinsky fan, but I didn't know that Alinsky was a Hillary fan.)

9 posted on 04/06/2003 12:53:34 PM PDT by the_doc
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To: the_doc
Hitlery did her senior thesis on Alinsky - a document which has been kept under wraps since she surfaced as a public figure.
10 posted on 04/06/2003 12:59:05 PM PDT by Liz
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To: Liz
I knew about that thesis. I didn't know that Alinsky knew her.
11 posted on 04/06/2003 1:18:17 PM PDT by the_doc
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To: Liz
Thanks for this post. I have been trying to document Saul Alinsky's connection to Hillary. I thought that someone, (Rush?) did manage to get a copy of Hillary's thesis. Surely, we can find it. She is THE most dangerous Terrorist in this country.
12 posted on 04/06/2003 1:27:52 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: the_doc
I can't remember where I read it. I have read all of the bio's on Hillary and a couple of them detail Alinsky's opinion of her. Her senior thesis was about Saul Alinsky. She was his favorite and most capable protege. He didn't like lawyers, but she wanted to become a lawyer and was not planning to work for him. She wanted 'more maneuverabilty'.

Most people, when they get to a certain age, start looking for someone to carry on their legacy. Even though Hillary did not become the head of his organization, she fulfilled his deepest desires as to how the radical element should attempt to takeover the government. Her first chance began when she was chosen to work as a lawyer on the Nixon impeachment committee, where she tried to illegally devise a way that Nixon would be barred from being represented by counsel. Later, she became the 'power behind the throne', making decisions only the president should have been making.

I must say here, even though she has been taking her fingernails to the Constitution from the moment she got her law degree and, by the way, she continues to this day as senator, it just proves how strong what our Founding Fathers produced that even a she-devil at the gate of Hell could not destroy it.

13 posted on 04/06/2003 2:06:36 PM PDT by Slyfox
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To: Liz
"Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules."

Great tactic. Since the RATS abandoned rules a long time ago, nothing can stick. The down side for the RATS - they have no way to document success. I, for one, hope they keep it up!

The folks with rules usually put the folks without rules behind bars...

14 posted on 04/06/2003 3:11:19 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Liz
Rules for Radicals teaches the organizer that he must give a moral appearance (as opposed to behaving morally): “All effective action requires the passport of morality.”

Back in chicago in my early twenties, 2349871234817264 years ago (alas), one of my first jobs was running Chi office for an importer of Brit sports cars (Lotus). This was a political job, in part, as I had to tweak local officials to get the cars through customs and also make sure they were handled gently.

My contact at Port of Chicago was a fellow not much older than I, a DemonRat underling on the way up in party and city politics. He took a shine to me and was always telling me about his affairs in great detail (though he was married). The object of his game was of course to bed me...but he never asked directly, as that would have appeared immoral. Instead, he described his prowess with others interminably hoping I'd take the bait. Naturally I did not, but enjoyed watching his machinations. I could not tell him to go to hades, as I needed him to get those cars through.

He also extolled the virtures of Saul Alinsky all the time...no doubt he'd learned his slimy immoral techniques from the master. I've been wary of Alinsky proselitizers ever since. They cannot be trusted with anything. Being in the same wroom with an Alinsky afficionado is like being in a room with a poisonous snake. You have to keep one eye on them every minute.

15 posted on 04/06/2003 3:50:18 PM PDT by PoisedWoman (Fed up with the liberal media)
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To: PoisedWoman
Being in the same room with an Alinsky afficionado is like being in a room with a poisonous snake. You have to keep one eye on them every minute. Paula Jones, Juanita and Kathleen Willey learned that the hard way. And thanks for the realtime story about the scumbag Dumbocrat.
16 posted on 04/06/2003 4:00:01 PM PDT by Liz
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To: Liz
Liz, my earstwhile friend was definitely a Bill Clinton precourser. They're all alike, Alinsky's minions.
17 posted on 04/06/2003 4:02:49 PM PDT by PoisedWoman (Fed up with the liberal media)
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To: alisasny

Alinski BUMP

Many thanks!! I'm touched that you remember my Alinsky-Hillary associations from those wacky MSNBC chat days...

We should have a reunion.


18 posted on 04/06/2003 6:11:05 PM PDT by Fintan (Barnum was wrong...it's more like every fifteen seconds.)
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To: Liz
Rules for Radicals opens with a quote about Lucifer

Which is why every leftist is nothing but a mirror image of Satan in human form. They are the Lie made flesh. They are the spirit of the Antichrist, a cancer trying to eat away at creation. God created order out of chaos by imposing His will, and the Left (at the instigation of Satan) is simply trying to impose chaos upon that order. The entire philosophy of the Left runs counter to the very fabric of the universe. They are like a river which fights to flow upstream, rebelling against natural law. They will not succeed, but they will not stop trying to subvert truth and reality until they are finally destroyed by the God they hate so much.

19 posted on 04/06/2003 6:41:06 PM PDT by laz17 (Socialism is the religion of the atheist.)
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To: Liz
Rules for CRIMINALS are as doomed as the CRIMINALS that try to implement them. The arrogance of the CRIMINAL is no match for the individual that understands FREEDOM.
20 posted on 04/06/2003 8:55:31 PM PDT by PGalt
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