Lincoln statue unveiled

Richmond Times Dispatch ^ | 4/6/03 | Jeremy Redmon and Lindsay Kastner

[Non-Sequitur]

Richmond welcomed Abraham Lincoln back with patriotic music, enthusiastic applause and boos yesterday, 138 years after he entered the smoldering capital of the Confederacy.

Smiling children and dignitaries slowly lifted a forest green cloth, unveiling a life-size bronze statue of Lincoln and his son, Tad, at a spot near the James River.

[ml/nj]

I don't remember ever hearing that Lincoln hoped the train carrying his wife would be attacked.

I didn't say he "hoped" it would be attacked. I said he "believed" it would be attacked. And if you "don't ever remember hearing that," it is because, for the most part, the victors wrote the History and taught the Glorious Truth to all of us when we were growing up.

ML/NJ

[Gumption]

I wonder if you would say JFK gave his life for his country.

Ummmm yeah. Do you think he would have been assassinated if he were a cobblers apprentice? Lincoln too. You're warped (imo).

[ml/nj]

The idea that he used them as bait is nonsense. Check out any biography of Lincoln for the details.

I didn't say he used them as bait. He just abandoned them. I do not believe that he hoped that the train would be attacked, and have never suggested same.

I'd be curious to know how many Abraham Lincoln biographies you can find that list the Baltimore Plot, as it is known, in their indices. Last time I looked at a shelf-full of such books in a library, I do not believe I found any. The place to look is in biographies of Mary Todd Lincoln. (e.g. Mary Todd Lincoln, Her Life and Letters - Turner and Turner - Knopf 1972) They don't paint a pretty picture.

ML/NJ

[ml/nj]

Ummmm yeah. Do you think he would have been assassinated if he were a cobblers apprentice? Lincoln too. You're warped (imo).

So all those folks in the Federal Building in Oklahoma City gave their lives for their country too? "Give," to me implies some form of voluntary consent.

It's sooooo nice of you to suggest the "I'm warped."

I see you are from Maryland. I guess you think it was okay for Lincoln to order the arrest the legislators of your State in order to prevent them from voting to secede.

ML/NJ

[Cultural Jihad]

Can't the broken record say anything else? This is all you have every posted on FR!

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To: Age of Reason

Lincoln was a statist pig who got what he had coming.

39 posted on 04/06/2003 8:37 AM PDT by Comus

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To: GOPyouth

Lincoln was a statist pig that got what he had coming.

15 posted on 12/26/2002 11:31 AM PST by Comus

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/812499/posts?page=15#15

[Gumption]

I guess you think it was okay for Lincoln to order the arrest the legislators of your State in order to prevent them from voting to secede.

Tell me what would have happened if he didn't "order the arrest of the legislators". Then tell me how that would have effected the war and it's conclusion. Then tell me how the U.S.A. would look right now had Lincoln not ordered "the arrest of the (Maryland) legislators". We all know how things turned out with Lincoln doing the things he did, now you tell me how everything would have worked out had Lincoln done ANYTHING different.

[cyborg]

BREAKING NEWS... the new Lincoln Memorial statue was decimated by poop released from Stand Watie and the Sothron brigades' Pigeon Army. Fellow CSA member HK Edgerton was seen roping the statue and taking it away on a flatbed truck to the nearest cow manure pond.

[Cultural Jihad]

"I'd vote for Gore again over Bush jr...."

You really need to find another forum to pollute. "My fellow Americans, we apologize to bin Laden for having placed these wicked twin towers in his way." -President Al (Qaeda) Gore, September 12, 2001

[ml/nj]

Tell me what would have happened if he didn't "order the arrest of the legislators". Then tell me how that would have effected the war and it's conclusion. Then tell me how the U.S.A. would look right now had Lincoln not ordered "the arrest of the (Maryland) legislators". We all know how things turned out with Lincoln doing the things he did, now you tell me how everything would have worked out had Lincoln done ANYTHING different.

Counter factual speculation isn't really my thing.

I have huge admiration for Jefferson and Madison and what they created. Unfortunately I look upon the government they created the same way some Jews look at the Temple in Jerusalem. It's gone. Maybe it wouldn't have been as good as it seems to me now. Maybe it wouldn't have survived for other reasons. Maybe it was better for me that Lincoln ordered his generals to burn widows and orphans out of their homes. But that doesn't make it right.

ML/NJ

[conservaDave]

I hear that all the Confederate Horses (Jackson, Lee etc statues)have their rear ends pointing NORTH.

[Cultural Jihad]

I hear that people who are chained to the past have their heads up theirs.

[Gumption]

I have huge admiration for Jefferson and Madison and what they created.

So do I, along with all the other federalists and anti federalists.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/630433/posts

[Age of Reason]

. And if you "don't ever remember hearing that," it is because, for the most part, the victors wrote the History and taught the Glorious Truth to all of us when we were growing up.

And I suppose the losers only write the truth.

[Fury]

I would suggest that Lincoln effectively destroyed the government created by Jefferson and Madison

I would suggest that people have been making similar statements using a variety of names for some time. If you want to be consistent, you should at least mention Washington. My point is that less than 20 years after the birth of the nation, there were people who believed the US was compromised beyond repair (consider the Whiskey Rebellion).

[Blue Scourge]

"I'm a Southern man," said Edgerton. "When somebody does something as ignorant as put Abe Lin- coln in the capital of the Confederacy, how can I not come to protest it? You don't put a criminal up and call it reconciliation, and Lincoln was a war criminal on top of it."

It's idiots like this who won't let go that give the rest of us who live in the South a bad name. I have a extensive family tree, I had 12 relatives fight and die for the Confederacy. I respect them, and honor them for their courage and commitment to their native soil, but I admit that the system they were fighting for was wrong.

And Lincoln a war criminal....perhaps he should look at some of his rebel buddies from Andersonville. Sherman was a borderline war criminal, Lincoln was not.

[Age of Reason]

I didn't say he "hoped" it would be attacked. I said he "believed" it would be attacked.

And while we're on the subject, whence might those chivalrous heroes have sprung, they who might have harmed women and children on that train?

[varina davis]

But even if true, from what I've read of his wife, it's understandable.

The main reason Mary Lincoln was villified was because she was a Southerner and maintained Southern sympathy and empathy. Lincoln was born in Kentucky but found his calling in the north. It's easy to see why she teetered on the brink of madness.

[Age of Reason]

The main reason Mary Lincoln was villified was because she was a Southerner and maintained Southern sympathy and empathy. Lincoln was born in Kentucky but found his calling in the north. It's easy to see why she teetered on the brink of madness.

I think she was beyond nuts (in fact, wasn't she committed in later life?). And war or no war, I still think she was nuts--and immature, as well.

[Non-Sequitur]

the new Lincoln Memorial statue was decimated by poop released from Stand Watie...

I've suspected all along that he was full of...well, I won't go there.