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ANDREW SULLIVAN: Hitler? He’s not half as bad as Bush
The Sunday Times ^
| April 6, 2003
| Andrew Sullivan
Posted on 04/05/2003 3:14:19 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
With that headline ..
"Hitler? He's Not half as Bad as Bush!"
... I thought it might be an article by Jeremy Paxman of BBC.
Did anyone else happen to see today's BBC "Bush Bash"? Paxman equated Bush with a wacked out Christian fundamentalist seeking Armageddon. One of those "end of timers".
Can someone tell Paxman that Bush is a METHODIST! In the good old USA that's not "fundamentalist", that's about as stodgy and traditional as one can get.
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posted on
04/05/2003 4:00:49 PM PST
by
InspiredPath1
(but, then again, what the hell do I know)
To: MadIvan
Great article!
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posted on
04/05/2003 4:10:10 PM PST
by
wimpycat
('Nemo me impune lacessit')
To: babyface00
Perhaps it's time to reclaim the word, "Liberal."
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posted on
04/05/2003 4:14:20 PM PST
by
Celtjew Libertarian
(No more will we pretend that our desire/For liberty is number-cold and has no fire.)
To: MadIvan; *war_list; W.O.T.; 11th_VA; Libertarianize the GOP; Free the USA; knak; sakka; ...
To: MadIvan
Likewise, the roots of Islamism in the early years of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood are also directly linked to the fascist movements in 20th century Europe. A man like Bin Laden is a classic western figure, educated in the West, with a vast fortune built on western oil trade, and methods that have far more to do with Stalin than with Islamic tradition.
Mr. Sullivan could benefit from a bit more study of Wahhabism and the life of Mohamed Ibn Abd-al-Wahab. Islamism is completely Middle Eastern and has found friends from within the decadent liberal cancers inflicting western democracies.
I found this to be just another example of self-hating liberal apology on his part. Give credit where credit is due Mr. Sullivan. The Middle East is capable of its own forms of fascism without the help of western civilization. To avoid this truth is both racist and folly. Ironic that Sullivan would accuse others of that which he has done so well here.
To: Celtjew Libertarian
Perhaps it's time to reclaim the word, "Liberal."
I like the term "Classical Liberal" -- one that's pro-individual rights and pro-free market.
I'm wondering when the term "liberal" started to mind "throw common sense out the window." People can't live on minimum wage? Well, obviously, raise the minimum wage! There's a dictator out there torturing his people, but he's a thorn in the side to the US? Well support that dictator!
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posted on
04/05/2003 4:39:23 PM PST
by
lelio
To: MadIvan
bttt
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posted on
04/05/2003 4:48:12 PM PST
by
The Wizard
(Saddamocrats are enemies of Ameri)
To: MadIvan
Another right-on direct hit by Andrew Sullivan.
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posted on
04/05/2003 4:53:52 PM PST
by
Jorge
To: MadIvan
Leave it to the liberals, less Tony Blair, to have the Conservatives doing the work that they should be doing. They whine about the way we are doing it to boot.
Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)
LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)
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posted on
04/05/2003 5:02:50 PM PST
by
LonePalm
(Commander and Chef)
To: MadIvan
The neo-liberals of today are more akin to fascists then to what "liberal" once meant.
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posted on
04/05/2003 5:19:08 PM PST
by
Bullish
To: MadIvan
The suicidal tendencies of the left will not allow its saner elements even to speak.You must admit when their kooks take over they are much more fun to watch, they have been imploding all around lately!!!
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posted on
04/05/2003 5:21:11 PM PST
by
Mister Baredog
((They wanted to kill 50,000 of us on 9/11, we will never forget!))
To: MadIvan
Andrew Sullivan bump!
To: Maigrey
Self ping for later.
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posted on
04/05/2003 5:50:43 PM PST
by
Maigrey
(Member of the Dose's Jesus Freaks, Purple Aes Sedai , and Gonzo News Service)
To: Cicero
There's an interesting history behind the madness of the left. In London around the time of the Russian revolution, all of the progressives favored British imperialism, because they thought it lifted backward races up toward civilization and helped bring them into the future. I know this in part because some of my English ancestors were progressives in London, and in fact one of them went to the Soviet Union after the revolution. That was generally true until the Soviet Union started backing nationalist independence movements as a means of undermining the West, after the Second World War.
At that time, anticolonialism became the new leftist dogma. And so it has been ever since. In other words, Stalin taught the left to love African and Arab dictators and tyrants. Naturally the left all saluted their great master and obeyed. In effect, they are still obeying Stalin.
That's fascinating, Cicero! That (and this article) are further proof that the world's road to recovery after collectivism's mass poisoning of the well during the 20th Century will be a long one. (Collectivism poisoned the well in just about every subject or social debate it ever touched.)
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posted on
04/05/2003 6:17:08 PM PST
by
jennyp
(http://lowcarbshopper.bestmessageboard.com)
To: MadIvan
Well, that's all well and good, but there are no "good liberals." There are only smaller cavities as opposed to the root canal-level cavities we are dealing with. So as much as I appreciate Tony Blair, I'm keeping one eye on him at all, because at the end of the day, he's a socialist.
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posted on
04/05/2003 6:20:26 PM PST
by
Anamensis
(Regime change began at home in 2000.)
To: Thud
Here is another good read by Andrew Sullivan.
To: MadIvan
Ivan: FWIW, I sent an e-mail to the president of Columbia saying that De Genova should be FIRED. I got an answer saying that he (De Genova) didn't make the statements about Mogadishu as a professor, but rather as a private citizen and that they felt freedom of speech disallowed them from taking action, although they felt his statements were deplorable. Not what I was looking for, but far better than DEFENDING such a jackass.
And I'm glad you posted this article - I tried to get at it earlier on the Times site, and declined to pay for a year's subscription in order to do so!
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posted on
04/05/2003 6:56:06 PM PST
by
DED
(Liberals Never Learn. *LNL*)
To: patriot5186
Liberalism can exist anywhere there are enough yahoos who will ignore all the facts in order to remain comfortable with their feelings.
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posted on
04/05/2003 6:58:08 PM PST
by
DED
(Liberals Never Learn. *LNL*)
To: MadIvan
We can only hope that this anti-Islamist liberalism will grow and prosper. Hear, hear!
To: MadIvan
"The suicidal tendencies of the left will not allow its saner elements even to speak"May it ever be so. Every once in a while, one of those saner elements realizes "These people are mean and hateful, what am I doing here?"
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posted on
04/05/2003 7:12:08 PM PST
by
DannyTN
(Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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