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ANDREW SULLIVAN: Hitler? He’s not half as bad as Bush
The Sunday Times ^ | April 6, 2003 | Andrew Sullivan

Posted on 04/05/2003 3:14:19 PM PST by MadIvan

Last week two rival opinions leapt out from the crowd of the American media. The first was from Nicholas De Genova, a Columbia University professor. He was addressing an anti-war “teach-in” at the Ivy League college, and felt comfortable in the anti-war consensus of America’s hyper-left-wing academy. So comfortable, in fact, that he blurted out what he really believes.

Surveying the war, De Genova said what others only privately believe and what a third of the French now apparently hold dear. He longed for “a million Mogadishus” for American soldiers in Iraq — a million incidents in which soldiers are captured, murdered, mutilated and paraded through the streets.

“The only true heroes are those who find ways that help defeat the US military,” De Genova elaborated. And to sporadic applause he thundered: “If we really (believe) that this war is criminal . . . then we have to believe in the victory of the Iraqi people and the defeat of the US war machine.”

There you have a core belief of some in the left-wing anti-war movement. Such sentiments help explain why at almost every anti-war rally President Bush is portrayed as Hitler on posters but Saddam is almost completely absent. The rhetoric of the left has consistently argued that this is a criminal war, conducted by an illegal president for nefarious ends — oil contracts, the Jews, world domination, etc. When you have used rhetoric of that sort, why shouldn’t you, when push comes to shove, support the enemy? But this is not the only face of liberalism at this time. As military success begins to become apparent, the other liberalism is beginning to assert itself. The Village Voice last week ran a column by Nat Hentoff, an old leftie, civil liberties enthusiast and journalistic lion of the campaign against the Vietnam war. He recounted his feelings about our current predicament:

“I participated in many demonstrations against the Vietnam war, including some civil disobedience . . . but I could not participate in the demonstrations against the war on Iraq. As I told The New York Sun in its roundup of New Yorkers for and against the war: ‘There was the disclosure . . . when the prisons were briefly opened of the gouging of eyes of prisoners and the raping of women in front of their husbands, from whom the torturers wanted to extract information . . . So if people want to talk about containing (Saddam Hussein) and don’t want to go in forcefully and remove him, how do they propose doing something about the horrors he is inflicting on his people who live in such fear of him?’” But Hentoff saw something else. He saw that any liberal who does not rejoice at the destruction of Saddam’s despicable regime is no real liberal. He saw that whatever reservations one might have about the military power of the United States, or even its foreign policy, there is not any moral equivalence between the vile despotism clinging on in Baghdad and the American republic.

He also saw that the liberal fig leaf — the way in which leftists could absolve themselves of responsibility for the Iraqi horror — was just a fig leaf. I refer to the United Nations, a body that sat by and watched as genocide cut through hundreds of thousands in Bosnia and Kosovo and Rwanda and did nothing, a body that has Libya chair its commission on human rights.

As Hentoff put it: “The UN is crucial for feeding people and trying to deal with such plagues as Aids; but if you had been in a Hussein torture chamber, would you, even in a state of delirium, hope for rescue from the UN Security Council?” Hentoff is increasingly not alone. In France, beleaguered liberals like Bernard Kouchner, former Socialist minister and co-founder of Médecins Sans Frontières, supported the Anglo-Saxon liberation of Iraq from tyranny, and was horrified at how anti-Americanism had so infected the French left that it had led his comrades to support a vicious dictator.

A US magazine for which I write, The New Republic, has coupled intense hostility to the domestic policies of the Bush administration with full-throated support for the war. And in Britain, voices of conscience, such as Ann Clwyd’s or Michael Ignatieff’s, have risen above the chatter of resentment, excuses and appeasement to articulate moral clarity.

And now a new book by a leading American intellectual, Paul Berman, may lead to a deeper rethink on the American left. Berman has impeccable liberal credentials; he has written lovingly of the new left and even won the coveted Genius Award given by the MacArthur Foundation, an award mainly reserved for left-wing intellectuals and activists. But Berman’s latest book, Terror and Liberalism, is a minor masterpiece of moral seriousness and scholarly research.

Perhaps his most important contribution is to uncover the real roots of today’s political ideologies in the Middle East. There is nothing in Arab culture or history that should lead political or religious leaders to embrace totalitarian terror, as in Saddam’s Iraq, or fundamentalist suicide bombing and mass murder. This fusion of totalitarian politics and the methods of terror were imports from the West, Berman shows, from the nihilists of the late 19th century, and the fascists and Stalinists of the 20th.

Who is Saddam, after all, but another Mussolini or Hitler, reborn in Islamic guise? Look at the personality cult, the secret police, the mass murders, the purges, the vast and inhuman wars, the scapegoating of the Jews, the vicious genocide against the Kurds (whose only crime was not to be Arabs). This kind of regime was invented not in Mesopotamia but in Europe.

Likewise, the roots of Islamism — in the early years of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood — are also directly linked to the fascist movements in 20th century Europe. A man like Bin Laden is a classic western figure, educated in the West, with a vast fortune built on western oil trade, and methods that have far more to do with Stalin than with Islamic tradition.

Berman argues that the notion that Arab societies and cultures are somehow indigenously incapable of liberal democracy is a form of racist condescension. Iraq is no less capable of becoming an open, free society than Germany or Japan in 1945, or even post-Soviet Russia in the 1990s. And what did the defeat of each of those tyrannies have in common? British resilience and American military might. The scenario we are seeing unfold today, in other words, is a starkly familiar one.

When Berman looks at the 1980s and 1990s, when Arab fascism grew in power, took over cultures, killed millions in wars, and threatened many more with terrorist violence, he wonders what went wrong in the West. Why did we not see the danger? Was it because exhausted from defeating Soviet totalitarianism, beguiled by the notion that history had ended, we couldn’t bring ourselves to face a new and perhaps even more dangerous threat?

For Europeans, that question still reverberates. For Americans, 9/11 answered the question. “What have we needed for these terrorists to prosper?” Berman asks. “We have needed immense failures of political courage and imagination within the Muslim world. We have needed an almost wilful lack of curiosity about those failures by people in other parts of the world — the lack of curiosity that allowed us to suppose that totalitarianism had been defeated, even when totalitarianism was reaching a new zenith . . . We have needed a political left that, in its anti-imperialist fervours, has lost the ability to stand up to fascism — and has sometimes gone a little further down the slippery slope. We have needed a cynical application of ‘realist’ or Nixonian doctrines over the decades — the doctrines that governed the Gulf war of 1991, the doctrines that even now lead to friendly ties with the most reactionary of feudal systems. We have needed an inability to cling to our own liberal and democratic principles, an inability even to articulate those principles.”

I quote at length to show the passion and power of those words. One of Tony Blair’s greatest achievements, which the British left has still not appreciated, has been to find the courage to articulate those liberal principles again. One of those principles is that the Islamist movement in the Arab and Muslim world is a real threat to the free West. It is also a real threat to the security, freedom and happiness of all Muslims and Arabs.

Good liberals, as they did in the 1930s, should not shy away from confronting this new fascism. In fact, given their political legacy, they should feel doubly responsible for confronting it. Liberalism cannot co-exist with terror or totalitarianism. One must vanquish the other. And when you look at what we are learning about Saddam’s Iraq — its horrifying brutality, its deep alliance with terrorism, its genocidal core, its fanatical anti-semitism, its contempt for human freedom and human life — you see what, at the deepest level, this war has been about.

We can only hope that this anti-Islamist liberalism will grow and prosper. We need it now more than ever. In the war on terror, Iraq is but a first stop, but a critical one. If we can rebuild Iraqi society on liberal grounds, create a fairer, more democratic culture, rescue Islam from its abusers, and show that the liberal West is prepared to sacrifice and invest to make Iraq a new model for that part of the world, then we will have made a critical start towards a new world.

Will most western liberals see this as Berman has and move away from their reactionary anti-Americanism towards the true liberal faith? We cannot know. But we can surely hope.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: andrewsullivanlist; blair; bush; iraq; saddam; uk; us; war; warlist
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To: MadIvan
With that headline ..

"Hitler? He's Not half as Bad as Bush!"

... I thought it might be an article by Jeremy Paxman of BBC.

Did anyone else happen to see today's BBC "Bush Bash"? Paxman equated Bush with a wacked out Christian fundamentalist seeking Armageddon. One of those "end of timers".

Can someone tell Paxman that Bush is a METHODIST! In the good old USA that's not "fundamentalist", that's about as stodgy and traditional as one can get.

21 posted on 04/05/2003 4:00:49 PM PST by InspiredPath1 (but, then again, what the hell do I know)
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To: MadIvan
Great article!
22 posted on 04/05/2003 4:10:10 PM PST by wimpycat ('Nemo me impune lacessit')
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To: babyface00
Perhaps it's time to reclaim the word, "Liberal."
23 posted on 04/05/2003 4:14:20 PM PST by Celtjew Libertarian (No more will we pretend that our desire/For liberty is number-cold and has no fire.)
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To: MadIvan; *war_list; W.O.T.; 11th_VA; Libertarianize the GOP; Free the USA; knak; sakka; ...
Strange title !

OFFICIAL BUMP(TOPIC)LIST

24 posted on 04/05/2003 4:18:27 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Where is Saddam?)
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To: MadIvan
Likewise, the roots of Islamism — in the early years of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood — are also directly linked to the fascist movements in 20th century Europe. A man like Bin Laden is a classic western figure, educated in the West, with a vast fortune built on western oil trade, and methods that have far more to do with Stalin than with Islamic tradition.

Mr. Sullivan could benefit from a bit more study of Wahhabism and the life of Mohamed Ibn Abd-al-Wahab. Islamism is completely Middle Eastern and has found friends from within the decadent liberal cancers inflicting western democracies.

I found this to be just another example of self-hating liberal apology on his part. Give credit where credit is due Mr. Sullivan. The Middle East is capable of its own forms of fascism without the help of western civilization. To avoid this truth is both racist and folly. Ironic that Sullivan would accuse others of that which he has done so well here.
25 posted on 04/05/2003 4:21:31 PM PST by PA Engineer
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To: Celtjew Libertarian
Perhaps it's time to reclaim the word, "Liberal."
I like the term "Classical Liberal" -- one that's pro-individual rights and pro-free market.
I'm wondering when the term "liberal" started to mind "throw common sense out the window." People can't live on minimum wage? Well, obviously, raise the minimum wage! There's a dictator out there torturing his people, but he's a thorn in the side to the US? Well support that dictator!
26 posted on 04/05/2003 4:39:23 PM PST by lelio
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To: MadIvan
bttt
27 posted on 04/05/2003 4:48:12 PM PST by The Wizard (Saddamocrats are enemies of Ameri)
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To: MadIvan
Another right-on direct hit by Andrew Sullivan.
28 posted on 04/05/2003 4:53:52 PM PST by Jorge
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To: MadIvan
Leave it to the liberals, less Tony Blair, to have the Conservatives doing the work that they should be doing. They whine about the way we are doing it to boot.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

29 posted on 04/05/2003 5:02:50 PM PST by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: MadIvan
The neo-liberals of today are more akin to fascists then to what "liberal" once meant.
30 posted on 04/05/2003 5:19:08 PM PST by Bullish
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To: MadIvan
The suicidal tendencies of the left will not allow its saner elements even to speak.

You must admit when their kooks take over they are much more fun to watch, they have been imploding all around lately!!!

31 posted on 04/05/2003 5:21:11 PM PST by Mister Baredog ((They wanted to kill 50,000 of us on 9/11, we will never forget!))
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To: MadIvan
Andrew Sullivan bump!
32 posted on 04/05/2003 5:27:42 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie
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To: Maigrey
Self ping for later.
33 posted on 04/05/2003 5:50:43 PM PST by Maigrey (Member of the Dose's Jesus Freaks, Purple Aes Sedai , and Gonzo News Service)
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To: Cicero
There's an interesting history behind the madness of the left. In London around the time of the Russian revolution, all of the progressives favored British imperialism, because they thought it lifted backward races up toward civilization and helped bring them into the future. I know this in part because some of my English ancestors were progressives in London, and in fact one of them went to the Soviet Union after the revolution.

That was generally true until the Soviet Union started backing nationalist independence movements as a means of undermining the West, after the Second World War.

At that time, anticolonialism became the new leftist dogma. And so it has been ever since. In other words, Stalin taught the left to love African and Arab dictators and tyrants. Naturally the left all saluted their great master and obeyed. In effect, they are still obeying Stalin.

That's fascinating, Cicero! That (and this article) are further proof that the world's road to recovery after collectivism's mass poisoning of the well during the 20th Century will be a long one. (Collectivism poisoned the well in just about every subject or social debate it ever touched.)

34 posted on 04/05/2003 6:17:08 PM PST by jennyp (http://lowcarbshopper.bestmessageboard.com)
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To: MadIvan
Well, that's all well and good, but there are no "good liberals." There are only smaller cavities as opposed to the root canal-level cavities we are dealing with. So as much as I appreciate Tony Blair, I'm keeping one eye on him at all, because at the end of the day, he's a socialist.
35 posted on 04/05/2003 6:20:26 PM PST by Anamensis (Regime change began at home in 2000.)
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To: Thud
Here is another good read by Andrew Sullivan.
36 posted on 04/05/2003 6:29:09 PM PST by Dark Wing
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To: MadIvan
Ivan: FWIW, I sent an e-mail to the president of Columbia saying that De Genova should be FIRED. I got an answer saying that he (De Genova) didn't make the statements about Mogadishu as a professor, but rather as a private citizen and that they felt freedom of speech disallowed them from taking action, although they felt his statements were deplorable. Not what I was looking for, but far better than DEFENDING such a jackass.
And I'm glad you posted this article - I tried to get at it earlier on the Times site, and declined to pay for a year's subscription in order to do so!
37 posted on 04/05/2003 6:56:06 PM PST by DED (Liberals Never Learn. *LNL*)
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To: patriot5186
Liberalism can exist anywhere there are enough yahoos who will ignore all the facts in order to remain comfortable with their feelings.
38 posted on 04/05/2003 6:58:08 PM PST by DED (Liberals Never Learn. *LNL*)
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To: MadIvan
We can only hope that this anti-Islamist liberalism will grow and prosper.

Hear, hear!

39 posted on 04/05/2003 7:08:23 PM PST by Prince Charles
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To: MadIvan
"The suicidal tendencies of the left will not allow its saner elements even to speak"

May it ever be so. Every once in a while, one of those saner elements realizes "These people are mean and hateful, what am I doing here?"

40 posted on 04/05/2003 7:12:08 PM PST by DannyTN (Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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