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To: Jhoffa_
"There are thousands of peaceful, American Muslims who go about their business daily.. and prove you wrong."

In any religious faith, there are always people who chose to interpret its teachings in their own style, rather than in accordance with its doctrines. There is nothing peaceful about Islam.

On the other hand a lot of these so-called "peaceful" Muslims are sleepers placed here by terrorist fundamentalist groups as we learend so well on 9-11. Further, the majority of Mosques and Madrasses in the United States are staffed by Wahhbai Muslims, the most virulent, intolerant and pestilential of this vicious sect, bankrolled by oil dollars from that capitol of Wahhabism, Saudi Arabia.

" Your little "Jihad" is unconstitutional, it's un-Christian and it's immoral."

It is not unconstitutional to express my opinions and alert Americans to the very real danger that threatens our nation, our government, and our life style.

It is not "un-Christian" to defend yourself against a sect with a history and current practise of oppressing, suppressing, enslaving, torturing, and murdering other Christians, along with any other religious group in its way.

There is nothing immoral about standing up for your country, your religion, and the basic tenets upon which our government established - none of which have anything to do with religious oppression of "unbelievers". Sharia laws, Theocracies, and treating women like livestock.

309 posted on 04/05/2003 9:09:04 PM PST by ZULU
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To: ZULU
Yes, that's exactly what Christ said to do.. Oppress innocent American Muslims.

Yes, that's exactly what the constitution says, oppress innocent, American Muslims.

That's exactly what defines basic morality, oppressing innocents.

Gee, it's so nice of you to impose your view of Islam on the thousands of peaceful, American Muslims who refuse Jihad..

Gonna go through the OT next and tell me what I have to believe and do because of my faith?

You're making a foolish argument. You insist that Muslims are a threat, then when I point out your error you insist they must be a threat regardless or they aren't doing it properly.

The fact of the matter is that the majority of American Muslims are peaceful. The aren't rioting, raping and killing. They don't agree with you. In fact, you and your views are the ones in the minority here.

You are erecting ridiculous strawmen. Look around, there's no Muslim hordes.

It's your own paranoia & prejudice talking... There is no Domestic Muslim Jihad.

315 posted on 04/05/2003 9:53:18 PM PST by Jhoffa_ (Frodo sleeps with men...)
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To: ZULU
In any religious faith, there are always people who chose to interpret its teachings in their own style, rather than in accordance with its doctrines. There is nothing peaceful about Islam.

On the other hand a lot of these so-called "peaceful" Muslims are sleepers placed here by terrorist fundamentalist groups as we learend so well on 9-11.





The Evil Isn't Islam
by Daniel Pipes
New York Post
July 30, 2002

(snip)
"Here is the rub: It is a mistake to blame Islam (a religion 14 centuries old) for the evil that should be ascribed to militant Islam (a totalitarian ideology less than a century old). The terrorism of al Qaeda, Hamas, the Iranian government and other Islamists results from the ideas of such contemporary radicals as Osama bin Laden and Ayatollah Khomeini, not from the Koran.

To which you might respond: But bin Laden and Khomeini get their ideas from the Koran. And they are only continuing a pattern of Muslim aggression that is centuries old.

Not exactly. Let's look closer at both points:

* Aggressive Islam: The Koran and other authoritative Islamic scriptures do contain incitements against non-Muslims. The eminent historian Paul Johnson, for example, cites two Koranic verses: "Strongest among men in enmity to the Believers will you find the Jews and Pagans" (Sura 5, verse 85) and "Then fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them. And seize them, beleaguer them and lie in wait for them." (9:5).

* Aggressive Muslims: Fourteen centuries of Islam have witnessed a long history of Muslims engaged in jihad (holy war) to expand the area under Islamic rule, from the early conquests of the caliphs to what Samuel Huntington terms Islam's "bloody borders" today.

Yes, these points are accurate. But they are one side of the story.

* Mild Islam: Like other sacred writings, the Koran can be mined for quotes to support opposing arguments. In this case, Karen Armstrong, a bestselling apologist for Islam, quotes two gentler passages from the Koran: "There must be no coercion in matters of faith!" (2:256) and "O people! We have formed you into nations and tribes so that you may know one another." (49:13).

* Mild Muslims: There have been occasions of Muslim moderation and tolerance, such as those in long-ago Sicily and Spain. And in one telling example, Mark R. Cohen notes that "The Jews of Islam, especially during the formative and classical centuries (up to the 13th century), experienced much less persecution than did the Jews of Christendom."

In other words, Islam's scriptures and history show variation.

At present, admittedly, it is hard to recall the positive side, at a moment when backwardness, resentment, extremism and violence prevail in so much of the Muslim world. But the present is not typical of Islam's long history; indeed, it may be the worst era in that entire history.

Things can get better. But it will not be easy. That requires that Muslims tackle the huge challenge of adapting their faith to the realities of modern life.

http://www.danielpipes.org/article/437



Further, the majority of Mosques and Madrasses in the United States are staffed by Wahhbai Muslims,

On this point you are correct.(note who they are angery at)
(snip)
The controversy centers around Sheikh Hisham Kabbani, a Lebanon-born religious leader who has been in the U.S. for the past nine years championing his international Naqshbandi order of Sufism. The Los Angeles Times published a lengthy profile on Kabbani on April 15 stating he has converted hundreds of inner city African Americans to his fold. Other reported supporters include his uncle, the grand mufti of Lebanon, the president of Chechnya, the Sultan of Brunei (one of the wealthiest men in the world), and O.J. Simpson.

To all appearances, the 54-year-old Sheikh Kabbani sees himself as the catalyst for making his brand of Islam the dominant Muslim force in the U.S. However, most American Muslim organizations see dangerous divisiveness in his message. Kabbani gained the enmity of nearly every Muslim group in the U.S. on Jan. 7 when he delivered a speech to a State Department open forum.

In essence, the white-bearded Sufi charged that the “ideology of extremism has been spread to 80 percent of the [American] Muslim population.” He claimed the foremost Muslim student organization was directed by extremists and hinted that alleged terrorist Osama bin Laden was buying nuclear devices from the Russian mafia which could then fall into the hands of radical Muslim students in the U.S.

http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0799/9907021.html



332 posted on 04/06/2003 11:47:38 AM PDT by Valin (Age and deceit beat youth and skill)
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