Pat Robertson stirs up debate (Islam is not a peaceful religion)

nj.com ^ | April 02, 2003 | KRYSTAL KNAPP

[TLBSHOW]

PRINCETON BOROUGH - The Rev. Pat Robertson spoke from the lectern at Princeton University last night like it was his pulpit, calling students to stand up for their moral convictions and not be swayed by popular culture.

His hair is all gray now, he had surgery in February and is recovering from prostate cancer, but the evangelist showed no signs of wavering last night when he spoke at the invitation of a student group.

[gg188]

The Constitution is not a suicide pact.

I nominate this for quote of the day.

[Radioactive]

See post 140 and you may learn something.

I have a friend who used to be Muslim. He had to leave his country...Saudi Arabia, because the Iman of his Mosque told other moslems in the mosque if they see him to kill him because he is an infidel.

He became a Christian.

You can speak from what you have read, but until you speak to someone who has been in the Islamic world, you speak out of IGNORANCE!!!!!

[moneyrunner]

Not a strawman at all, just a simple question. You said: ” If they are conspiring, as opposed to expressing a belief then they are protected.”

I assume you meant it he other way around: if people are expressing opinions as opposed to conspiring, they are protected.

But, my friend, the most egregious crimes against humanity were not silent conspiracies but shouted from the rooftops. The destruction of the Jews under the Nazis was advertised in Mein Kampf before it became official government policy. The mass deaths under Stalin and Mao were not exactly clandestine affairs. The killing fields of Cambodia were well documented as they were created.

Generally, megadeaths are not secret conspiracies of a few plotters, they are the result of well publicized movements. The murder of Jews in Israel by suicide/homicide bombers is publicly encouraged and preached from mosques throughout the world. Otherwise the supply of volunteers would dry up and the Moslem world would see it for the atrocity that it is.

Regarding your desire to shoot pedophiles, I would say that if your really mean that, you are an extremist. As long as you keep your ideas to yourself, I have no problem with your little foible. However, should you found the “Society of Killing Pedophiles by Shooting Them” and began ranting about this on a weekly basis, encouraging your followers to identify people in their neighborhoods who have been accused of pedophilia with the idea of shooting them, I would think seriously about taking legal action against you. You see, at that point, your personal nuttiness has become a public hazard.

[Jhoffa_]

You should nominate it for: "Incorrect, emotional quote of the day"

Because it has no basis in fact.

[sinkspur]

All Muslims know that the Meccan version of Islam is the only true version.

How many Muslims do you even know? I know two, and they would laugh at this statement.

[Radioactive]

They won't act on them until Islam is the majority.

Then it becomes legal to kill the infidels.

Go to the mideast and see Christians dying by the bundles due to Islamic intollerance.

[sinkspur]

You can speak from what you have read, but until you speak to someone who has been in the Islamic world, you speak out of IGNORANCE!!!!!

I thought we were talking about Muslims in America. I don't give a rat's ass about what some Mullahs say in Iran.

How many American Muslims do you know who are on jihad?

I know two Muslims who are part of the Muslim world in America, and they would say you're hysterical.

[Skywalk]

You err in that I am not the person you were arguing with, and I'm not in favor of banning Islam or Muslims or any such thing.

I'm just pointing out the dual nature of Islam in the world. Most international terrorist groups are one of two things 1)Communist/Leftists 2)Muslim

That and the great number of wars/terrorist insurgencies that are popping up all over the world, with Muslim participants. In some cases, like Algeria, it's Muslim fanatic vs. not so fanatic Muslim.

[sinkspur]

They won't act on them until Islam is the majority.

How many American Muslims do you know? Have they told you this, or is this what you think?

[gitmo]

Of course we did terminate the Emporer worship in Japan. When a religion wages war on our nation we have the right to defeat it.

[gg188]

That's a good piece.

Terrorists didn't hijack Islam; Islam hijacked the terrorists.

[Skywalk]

What percentage of Germans participated in the Holocaust?

I knew an Afghan in high school, we were good friends, but you should have heard him when we talked about Israel. He literally sounded like a Palie spokesperson. Now, I don't think HE would have signed up for jihad, but that doesn't mean that mode of thought doesn't LEND ITSELF to being susceptible.

Are you honestly going to say that worldwide, Islamic fanatics are not supported by a large percentage of the Muslim population? KKK is incredibly weak, they are illegitimate in the eyes of nearly everyone, even people who are racist. You can't have insurgencies, sinkspur, that don't have a measure of popular support.

Look at the Arab media, granted you can change people's minds, but RIGHT NOW all over the world they're getting falsehoods as news.

[sinkspur]

Of course we did terminate the Emporer worship in Japan

We didn't. MacArthur purposely left the Emperor on the throne in deference to the Japanese people.

It turned out to be a very good thing to do.

[Jhoffa_]

I assume you meant it he other way around: if people are expressing opinions as opposed to conspiring, they are protected.

Of course I did.. I am glad you didn't pile on to an obvious mistake like this one.

..began ranting about this on a weekly basis, encouraging your followers to identify people in their neighborhoods who have been accused of pedophilia with the idea of shooting them, I would think seriously about taking legal action against you. You see, at that point, your personal nuttiness has become a public hazard.

We have laws against conspiracy.. You can't use a mosque or a church to conspire to kill people.

Say what you want about the sermon, (Be it from the OT, or the Koran) but I don't see allot of American Muslim Jihadders.

Even so, the KKK and the Socialist Workers Party are covered by our First Amendment.. They rant against race & religion all the time.

[sinkspur]

I knew an Afghan in high school, we were good friends, but you should have heard him when we talked about Israel. He literally sounded like a Palie spokesperson

There are pasty-faced white boys on FR who sound like Palie spokesmen. So what?

Are you honestly going to say that worldwide, Islamic fanatics are not supported by a large percentage of the Muslim population?

We're not talking about "worldwide." We're talking about America on this thread. We can't do anything about worldwide Islam, unless you want a modern-day Crusade.

[Jhoffa_]

I'm not in favor of banning Islam or Muslims or any such thing.

Then we are left with nothing to argue about..

[LowOiL]

"Judge not" has nothng to do with it.

"Do unto others" does, however.

The Bible does not say, "Hate the sin, love the sinner." It says, "As a man thinks in his heart, so is he" (Prov. 23:7). And that God hates "all workers of iniquity" (Ps 5:5). "The Lord abhors the bloodthirsty and deceitful man" (Ps 5:6). Also "the wicked and the one who loves violence [God] hates." (Ps 11:5). Further, "The face of the Lord is against those who do evil" (Ps 34:16). God "loves righteousness and hate[s] wickedness (Ps. 45:7).

…those who rebuke the wicked will have delight, and a good blessing will come upon them. Prov. 24:25

"So you shall put away the evil from Israel. And all the people shall hear and fear, and no longer act presumptuously." Deut. 17:12-13

[Jhoffa_]

The Emporer didn't come here and worship peacefully..

Only to have a bunch of nuts come and tear him apart.

[TLBSHOW]

The night is not complete without Ann's view on the matter!
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To review recent events, last year, 19 Muslims slaughtered thousands of Americans on U.S. soil. Since then, one Muslim tried to blow up a U.S. commercial jet with a shoe bomb and another Muslim shot up Los Angeles airport. The Religion of Peace has also been active abroad, decapitating an American journalist and blowing up a French tanker. In the last few weeks alone, Muslims bombed a nightclub in Bali and were narrowly prevented from slaughtering hundreds of theater-goers in Moscow.

Inasmuch as the nation is at war with Islamic terrorists, you might think it would be of passing interest that the sniper is a Muslim. But you need a New York Times decoder ring to figure out that GULF WAR VETERAN John Muhammad is a Muslim. The main clue is the Times' repeated insistence that Islam had absolutely nothing to do with the shootings.

Wrestling with the freakish development that a practitioner of the Religion of Peace is a killer, the Times has even rushed to print with the completely unsubstantiated speculation that John Muhammad had recently rejected Islam. Experts explained that a "rapid and bizarre change in religious beliefs" is common among "serial killers." One doctor said a change in religious beliefs before committing violent crimes is "a fairly well-known phenomenon in clinical psychiatry," adding that he "was not diagnosing Mr. Muhammad's condition."

His condition? He's a Muslim. That's his condition and his diagnosis. It may be time to update the DSM-IV by adding "Jihad Impulse-Control Disorder" to its index of official diagnoses.
http://www.anncoulter.org/columns/2002/103002.htm

[Jhoffa_]

It says "Do unto others as you would have done unto you.. "

That's the Supreme law. It does not justify a Christian Jihad in any way, shape or form.