Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Jewish lawmakers threaten walk-out over reference to Jesus
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | April 3, 2003 | Diana Lynne

Posted on 04/03/2003 6:25:58 PM PST by honway

A Maryland minister was barred from giving the opening prayer in the state Senate after he refused to drop a reference to Jesus.

The Rev. David N. Hughes of the Trinity and Evangelical Church of Adamstown, Md., intended to round out his invocation yesterday with the line, "In Jesus' name, Amen." But the sergeant at arms – on the orders of Senate President Thomas Mike Miller Jr. – shut the reverend out of the body's chambers.

Miller issued the orders after two Jewish lawmakers threatened to stage a boycott of the legislative session if the phrase was not removed.

"I'm shocked by the response. I've never had this happen in 26 years," Hughes told the Frederick News-Post. "It just makes me feel that they've taken away my right as an American to pray, and this is the seat of government, and that's scary."

The pastor – a Vietnam veteran – was invited to give the prayer by Republican Sen. Alex Mooney. Hughes was Mooney's fourth guest. The other three were Jewish rabbis.

Opening up legislative sessions with prayer is a longstanding tradition in Maryland, as it is in states across the country. Mooney told WorldNetDaily no one had been barred from giving an invocation before. He sees irony in yesterday's "censorship."

Maryland state Republican Rep. Alex Mooney

"We were the first state to address religious tolerance in our state charter," he told WorldNetDaily. "This just shows a lack of tolerance for peoples' religious views."

Mooney recalled numerous instances of invocations referencing Jesus throughout the four years that he has been in office.

But at the beginning of the session this year, a string of invocations by Baptist preachers invoking the name Jesus Christ sparked debate on the issue. Miller appealed to lawmakers for tolerance and urged they stick to guidelines that call for invocations to be of an ecumenical nature and respectful of all faiths.

Webster's New World Dictionary defines ecumenical as "promoting cooperation or better understanding among differing religious faiths."

Since the debate, the Senate clerk screens prayers ahead of time and flagged the written text submitted by Hughes.

When Sens. Ida Ruben and Gloria Hollinger – both of whom are Jewish – heard of the reference, they asked Mooney to strike it.

"I said, 'Hey, I'll let him pray however he wants to pray. I'm not going to censor him and tell him how he needs to pray,'" Mooney told WND.

Ruben told the Frederick News-Post she then urged Hughes to substitute "messiah" for Jesus, telling him the reference could offend non-Christians and goes against the guidelines.

Neither Ruben nor Miller returned calls seeking comment.

"This is part of my faith," Hughes responded, according to Mooney. "The Gospel says when you pray, pray in Jesus' name."

The senators next asked to be excused from the floor during the prayer.

Paradoxically, a walk-out over a Muslim cleric's prayer opening a Washington state legislative session last month backfired on one Christian lawmaker.

Washington state Republican Rep. Lois McMahan

As WorldNetDaily reported, Rep. Lois McMahan, a Republican from Gig Harbor, Wash., refused to participate in the prayer and declared, "My god is not Muhammed."

"The Islamic religion is so ... part and parcel with the attack on America. I just didn't want to be there, be a part of that," she said in an interview with the Seattle Post Intelligencer. "Even though the mainstream Islamic religion doesn't profess to hate America, nonetheless it spawns the groups that hate America."

But a day later, McMahan apologized on the floor of the state House of Representatives amid mounting furor over her stance.

Debate over invocations is raging elsewhere in the country. As WorldNetDaily reported, several Southern California cities are grappling with threats from both sides of the issue.

Under pressure from the American Civil Liberties Union to quit using the name Jesus Christ in invocations, the city of Lake Elsinore, in Riverside County, decided to eliminate mention of "religious figures." The decree subsequently had the apparent effect of eliminating the prayer altogether, as no local pastors would accept invitations to deliver the prayer, and city councilors adopted moments of silence instead.

The ACLU contends that praying at the request of a government entity is a violation of the First Amendment's prohibition against the establishment of religion.

But the nonprofit United States Justice Foundation, which threatened to sue the city if it failed to reverse its decision, maintains telling a pastor what to pray is a violation of his First Amendment rights to freedom of speech and religion.

The notion of "separation of church and state" is derived from the dissenting opinion of the 1946 Supreme Court case Everson vs. Board of Education, which upheld a program allowing parents to be repaid from state funds for the costs of transportation to private religious schools. The court required only that the state maintain neutrality in its relations with various groups of religious believers.

"The decision in Everson does not rise to the level of being a battle cry for those who would wish to remove every vestige of religion from the public forum," USJF litigation counsel Richard Ackerman asserts.

"There's a push in this country to remove religion from society," Mooney echoed, "from the Supreme Court's decision on the Pledge to the ACLU going after all the Ten Commandments posted across the country. ... Nothing in the church-state relationship allows censorship and the removal of religious values from society."


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: catholiclist; christians; ecumenical; hypocrites; jews; liberals; maryland; silliness; watereddown
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 601-620621-640641-660 ... 861-872 next last
To: TopQuark
bump
621 posted on 04/04/2003 11:30:03 AM PST by sureshot
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 200 | View Replies]

To: stayathomemom
No disagreement here, stayathomemom!
622 posted on 04/04/2003 11:31:44 AM PST by Marysecretary (GOD is still in control!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 62 | View Replies]

To: sauropod
}But the Jews are still the historical "Chosen People." As Christians we can never forget that.

Why? What differentiates Jews from the Christians in the "chosen people" department? I think nice but naive Christians are being take for a huge guilt-driven ride with this carefully marketed claim.

} We should support a truly religious Israel. The secular Israel that exists today we must support while holding our nose.

Sorry, but why? How does secular Israel today connect with religious and historical Israel of old? To assume they are the same is a huge stretch IMHO. Having the same name is in itself meaningless

623 posted on 04/04/2003 11:32:43 AM PST by DensaMensa (He who controls the definitions controls history.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 613 | View Replies]

To: Blue Scourge
Absolutely right, Blue Scourge!
624 posted on 04/04/2003 11:33:09 AM PST by Marysecretary (GOD is still in control!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 70 | View Replies]

To: DensaMensa
I did not say that a secular and a religous Israel were the same thing.

I do say they face the same enemy.

BTW, it is our obligations as Christians to support Israel no matter what.

625 posted on 04/04/2003 11:34:39 AM PST by sauropod (If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 623 | View Replies]

To: Illbay
"He wasn't invited to prosletyze. "

You could say that the Jews were prosletyzing by demanding Jesus be taken out of the prayer. It's two sides of the same coin.

We need to learn to respect each other's religious rights and differences in beliefs. Not homogenize and whitewash our beliefs until they are acceptable to everyone else. That's why not participating in a prayer should be acceptable, while forcing everyone to pray a watered down version that is acceptable to everyone will never work.

626 posted on 04/04/2003 11:35:23 AM PST by DannyTN (Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 593 | View Replies]

To: Rasputin_TheMadMonk
You hit that one on the head, MadMonk!
627 posted on 04/04/2003 11:35:44 AM PST by Marysecretary (GOD is still in control!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 94 | View Replies]

To: sauropod
}I did not say that a secular and a religous Israel were the same thing.

OK, I shouldn't have assumed that. But it did seem like the next step. What else is there to contrast secular Israel with???

}BTW, it is our obligations as Christians to support Israel no matter what.

How do you arrive at that, "no matter what"?

628 posted on 04/04/2003 11:38:10 AM PST by DensaMensa (He who controls the definitions controls history.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 625 | View Replies]

To: DensaMensa
Because my friend, that is what the Bible says.
629 posted on 04/04/2003 11:39:50 AM PST by sauropod (If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 628 | View Replies]

To: sauropod
}Because my friend, that is what the Bible says.

The Bible says lot of things, my friend. How about Chapter and verse to back up the claim?

630 posted on 04/04/2003 11:43:30 AM PST by DensaMensa (He who controls the definitions controls history.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 629 | View Replies]

To: Illbay
Well, Illbay, when a Christian prays, s/he's giving a christian prayer. Can't separate the two.
631 posted on 04/04/2003 11:43:36 AM PST by Marysecretary (GOD is still in control!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 142 | View Replies]

To: DensaMensa
It was stated earlier in this thread. Thanks for asking.
632 posted on 04/04/2003 11:45:30 AM PST by sauropod (If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 630 | View Replies]

To: sauropod
I always thought that it was the Israelites who were God's Chosen.I also thought that some Israelites were from the tribe of Judah and thus were "Chosen". I am not at all sure if those of the tribe of Judah,who lived in Judea at the time of Christ were the people we now call Jews.I have heard that it was only because of difficulties in translating the Bible into English that the term Jew was used to connote those people who were religious Israelites,living in Judea at the time of Christ.Any thoughts,you seem to be very knowledgeable about scripture,I am not. Thanks.
633 posted on 04/04/2003 11:49:33 AM PST by saradippity
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 613 | View Replies]

To: lizma
It does feel that way sometimes, doesn't it lizma?
634 posted on 04/04/2003 11:50:02 AM PST by Marysecretary (GOD is still in control!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 178 | View Replies]

To: sauropod
Sorry, I find no Bible verses in this thread which support your claim. Which post # are you referring to?
635 posted on 04/04/2003 11:50:10 AM PST by DensaMensa (He who controls the definitions controls history.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 632 | View Replies]

To: DensaMensa
That's kind of what I think too. Interesting thread.
636 posted on 04/04/2003 11:52:23 AM PST by saradippity
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 623 | View Replies]

To: saradippity
}I always thought that it was the Israelites who were God's "Chosen".

That is also my impression. I have not seen any Biblical references (yet at least) which call anyone but the Israelites from all of the tribes "chosen". That of course begs the question "chosen for what?"

637 posted on 04/04/2003 11:54:41 AM PST by DensaMensa (He who controls the definitions controls history.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 633 | View Replies]

To: honway
I am requesting a source for a very serious claim you made about the Catholic Church. Do you have a title and page number?

You might want to start with the writings of St. John Chrysostom, and proceed to the canons of the Fourth Lateran Council.

638 posted on 04/04/2003 11:56:46 AM PST by malakhi (Visualize global warming. Help stamp out winter!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 261 | View Replies]

To: sinkspur
Won't He do? Jesus claimed to be God. We Christians believe He is God. So when we are not allowed to pray in His name we are denied our freedom to pray to Him.
639 posted on 04/04/2003 11:58:43 AM PST by kkindt (knightforhire.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Jhoffa_
I love this crap about separation of church and state. They get a lot of mileage out of this lie from hell.
640 posted on 04/04/2003 12:03:29 PM PST by Marysecretary (GOD is still in control!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 237 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 601-620621-640641-660 ... 861-872 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson