Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your rears?

The Times ^ | April 4, 2003 | Robbie Millen

[MadIvan]

I thought you lot deserved a good laugh. ;)

Regards, Ivan

[MadIvan]

Bump!

[martin_fierro]

OK.

But(t) I want it back. <|:)~

[Illbay]

Homosexuals are obsessed with proving that anyone who is anyone is or was a fairy.

I once read a "serious" treatise describing the obviously homosexual relationship between David of the Bible, and Jonathan the son of King Saul.

[litehaus]

"lend me your rears?"

Thought this would be a French joke.....

[ricpic]

"...their hands under the blankets were firmly on their revolvers."

Well, I should hope so! Ewheee!!

[longtermmemmory]

They do the same homosexual revision with Alexander the Great. Go to Greece and say he was a homosexual and you may end up with a bloody nose. Recently in Thesaloniki Greece there was a conference where a foreign scholar tried to put forth the notion that Alexander's father, Philip was a homosexual. (like the scholar himself) There are zero writings identifying Alexander as a homosexual, the only evidence is the close friendship with one particular man whose name escapes me.

This homosexual revisionism is a product of the American University system and has actually spread from here. Next thing you know, Ronald Reagan was a homosexual because he ended the cold war. Richard Nixon was a homosexual because he went to make friends in China. McArthur was homosexual becuase we know all military men are homosexuals.

Time to start reclaiming morality from the 1% fringe.

[decimon]

That's the worst Italian flag I've ever seen.

[demosthenes the elder]

Yes, but how does this square with the Baconian Heresy?

[demosthenes the elder]

LOL! took me a moment to understand, but o! well done!

[ggekko]

"Hoover, the former FBI hard nut, we learnt in one work of insignificance, on less formal occasions wore a black dress with flounces,..."

This little nugget was demonstrated to be part of a KGB-created disinformation campaign as revealed by the Venona transcripts of decrypted Soviet intelligence traffic. There is not a shred of credibility to this rumor but the "gay mafia" trots it out any time they get a chance.

[Capriole]

I hate to agree with Ian McKellan about anything, but the truth is that if you read the sonnets it seems pretty clear that Shakespeare was probably bi, and to think so you don't have to be either (a) gay or (b) an overeducated academic. There is an awful lot of unmistakeable stuff in the sonnets about his "lovely boy" and their passion. It's possible to make up all sorts of things to explain this away, but the language is so straightforward that the simplest explanation is probably the best. It seems that the sonnets were private poem-missives to a young man Shakespeare was carrying on with but who was being encouraged to marry for dynastic reasons. Despite the glorious heights of beauty the language of the sonnets attains, the meaning is fairly creepy.

[Cacique]

THAT, looks like the French flag sideways.

[Illbay]

...but the truth is that if you read the sonnets it seems pretty clear that Shakespeare was probably bi,...

Garbage. The fact is that our sex-drenched culture in these days insists on having everything fit in as a piece in the "sexual puzzle" somewhere. Any expression of affection between males, for example the relationship between David and Jonathan in the Bible that I gave earlier, has to be deconstructed into a homosexual affair.

It's just not true. In other times, affection between males was not considered "gay." In fact, even relations between men and women could be "chaste" though intimate.

We see everything through the glass through which this "wicked and adulterous generation" wishes us to peer, and it's just poppycock.

[martin_fierro]

VIVE LA FRANCE! <|:)~

[sonofatpatcher2]

"He's gay, Jim."

[rmlew]

There were famous homosexual soldiers in classical Greece. The Sacred Band of Thebes, was a unit comprised entirely of gay lovers. Supposedly, they fought to the last butch and died in each others arms.
Of course it was the Macedonian Army of King Phillip who slaughtered them.

It has been suggested that homosexuality was rampant among the Spartans. Given the nuptual rituals wherein a the bride would cut her hair and dress like a young man for the soldier-husband to take, I give this theory some credence. Of course, the Spartans were crushed by the other city states because they lacked enough soldiers. (Soldiers who spend all week in the barracks had few kids.) At any rate, Sparta was a brutal aristocracy built on ethnic slavery, totalitarian tactics, and the mistreatment of boys.

If the homosexual intellectuals wish to act like Ernst Roehm, they should stop claiming that the Nazi persecuted all homosexuals.

[NewRomeTacitus]

Pishtosh and balderdash! That the Bard managed prodigious output covering every OTHER aspect of human interaction while the typical Hollywood script can't get through ten pages without a copulation leads me to believe the man may have been asexual. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

[Capriole]

Illbay, part of what you say is true. For instance, normal heterosexual expressions of affection between Victorian-era men today strike our oversensitive ears as being effeminate. I quite agree with you about the absurdity of attributing homosexual relations to David and Jonathan or other great male friendships through history; this seems to be the sport of gays, to try to achieve normalcy by persuading the gullible that all the great figures of history were fudge-packers.

But before you assume that what appears in Shakespeare's sonnets is merely healthy male affection, you should reread them tonight. The recipient of the sonnets is a very young man, much younger than the author. There are puns about the lovely boy's penis, and the author writes that he is "Frantic-mad with desire," calls the boy "master mistress of my passion," "Lord of my love," and so forth. Taken together they create a clear picture, and one does not have to be sex-obsessed to see it. Rather, denial of the obvious does nto contribute to our body of knowledge about Elizabethan literature.

And if the notion that Shakespeare may have been gay offends you, remember that we don't have any proof the sonnets were written by Shakespeare at all.