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Oldest Swords Found In Turkey (3,300BC)
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| 3-25-2003
| Rossella Lorenzi
Posted on 03/30/2003 4:37:06 PM PST by blam
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To: blam; jimtorr
Excellent posts! Cool stuff. It's obvious that they'd been making swords for some time, given the discussion in the article about there being silver inlay on them. I''ll be interested if they find other, more primitive ones at lower levels.
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posted on
03/30/2003 11:03:54 PM PST
by
zeugma
(If you use microsoft products, you are feeding the beast.)
To: blam; FairOpinion; Ernest_at_the_Beach; SunkenCiv; 24Karet; 2Jedismom; 4ConservativeJustices; ...
another blast from the past. Please FREEPMAIL me if you want on, off, or alter the "Gods, Graves, Glyphs" PING list --
Archaeology/Anthropology/Ancient Cultures/Artifacts/Antiquities, etc.
The GGG Digest -- Gods, Graves, Glyphs (alpha order)
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posted on
09/10/2004 10:58:44 PM PDT
by
SunkenCiv
(Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
To: Porterville
Nine swords/ Nine rings, ancient times, oh my God!!! We are all gonna die if Frodo doesn't come through. Call it a hunch, but if he hasn't come through in 3,000 years, I don't think he's gonna.
Time to whip out some nukes.
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posted on
09/11/2004 2:06:45 AM PDT
by
uglybiker
(EGO sum non taedium pardus)
To: xJones
"It's a good thing Hans Blix isn't an archaeologist, no swords would have been found."LOL!! I was thinking exactly along those same lines!
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posted on
09/11/2004 12:14:14 PM PDT
by
sneakers
To: blam
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posted on
09/11/2004 12:16:16 PM PDT
by
Fiddlstix
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To: blam
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posted on
09/11/2004 12:17:52 PM PDT
by
hershey
To: blam
When forging the swords, arsenic was used as a deliberate alloying element in order to change the properties of copper and produce a stronger metal.I wonder about the "deliberate"part?
Does he mean they actually cooked off & collected arsenic to add in measured amounts back into the fairly pure molten copper?
Or, does he mean they deliberately smelted their copper from a more/less constant mixture of copper (or other metallic) arsenates/arsenides and other copper ores? Trial & error blending of ores, noting empirical differences, then sticking to 1 part reddish rock to 5 parts shiny rock, etc?
Either way, the alloying and the inlaying speak to a long history of painfully learned craftsmanship prior to the making of these blades & points.
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posted on
09/11/2004 8:43:02 PM PDT
by
ApplegateRanch
(The world needs more horses, and fewer Jackasses!)
To: ApplegateRanch
"Either way, the alloying and the inlaying speak to a long history of painfully learned craftsmanship prior to the making of these blades & points." Yup, the 'mad-hatters' comes to mind.
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posted on
09/11/2004 8:58:45 PM PDT
by
blam
To: ApplegateRanch; blam
Arsenic bronze was fairly common before tin bronze became widespread. Some people suggest that the lame metal-working gods of some mythologies (e.g., Vulcan) are holdovers from an age when metal-workers worked with arsenic, which damaged their health.
To: blam
Due to the sad neglect of most of Turkey's museums and the rampant trade in stolen antiquities these swords do not have much of a future in Turkey unless they are protected abroad.
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09/12/2004 8:20:34 PM PDT
by
eleni121
(Not all college profs are left wing unionist whackos --but most are.)
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