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Oldest Swords Found In Turkey (3,300BC)
Discovery Channel ^
| 3-25-2003
| Rossella Lorenzi
Posted on 03/30/2003 4:37:06 PM PST by blam
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posted on
03/30/2003 4:37:06 PM PST
by
blam
To: blam
The way they've behaved lately, they could fall on a couple of them.
Kidding..slightly.
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posted on
03/30/2003 4:38:26 PM PST
by
wardaddy
(G-d speed our fighters!)
To: blam
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posted on
03/30/2003 4:40:31 PM PST
by
blam
To: blam
Ironically, the swords were accompanied by a note requiring $30 Billion in loan guarantees before the swords would be used.
To: blam
It's a good thing Hans Blix isn't an archaeologist, no swords would have been found.
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posted on
03/30/2003 4:42:02 PM PST
by
xJones
To: blam
I had an opportunity to vist a museum while in Antalya Turkey. The had a wonderful collection of coins that covered the various cultures that have lived in that area over the centuries. A remarkable find of ancient coins were unearthed by a farmer plowing his field.
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posted on
03/30/2003 4:47:02 PM PST
by
csvset
To: csvset
They are shishkebab skewers :-)
To: blam
"The swords were found in a large, palace-like complex, along with eleven lance tips, made of the same alloys, driven into a wall. "
Most likely visited by David and Saul
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posted on
03/30/2003 5:03:34 PM PST
by
freedom9
To: blam
Bump
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posted on
03/30/2003 5:06:06 PM PST
by
Fiddlstix
To: blam
Nine swords/ Nine rings, ancient times, oh my God!!! We are all gonna die if Frodo doesn't come through.
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posted on
03/30/2003 5:08:22 PM PST
by
Porterville
(Screw the grammar, full posting ahead.)
To: freedom9
Saul and David come along about 1020 BC(E). That's only 3017 years ago. This doesn't mean they didn't visit such a place, of course. However, it would have been nearly 2,000 years old even in their day!
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posted on
03/30/2003 5:14:44 PM PST
by
muawiyah
To: blam
archaeological bump
To: blam
I guess the guys who made the swords were a little older than the Hittites. There had to be somebody else in eastern Anatolia for the Hittites to fight, before they could become a military culture.
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posted on
03/30/2003 5:23:23 PM PST
by
jimtorr
To: muawiyah
Was just kidding :)
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posted on
03/30/2003 5:30:13 PM PST
by
freedom9
To: blam
Throughout the Mideast there flourished many advanced civilizations before Mohammed's death cult evolved.
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posted on
03/30/2003 5:33:08 PM PST
by
struwwelpeter
(Pozovi menya na zakate dnya pozovi menya tikho po imeni pozovi)
To: struwwelpeter
too cool, I love this stuff.
To: blam
The world's oldest nuclear weapons have been found in the united States.
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posted on
03/30/2003 6:01:35 PM PST
by
FreedomCalls
(It's the "Statue of Liberty" not the "Statue of Security.")
To: jimtorr
"I guess the guys who made the swords were a little older than the Hittites. There had to be somebody else in eastern Anatolia for the Hittites to fight, before they could become a military culture. "(Proto-Celtics?)
Gene flow and Indo-Europeans
Date: Sat, 08 Jul 1995 07:36:17 Gene flow and Indo-Europeans
From:
Subject: Gene flow and Indo-Europeans
H. M. Hubey has made readers of this list aware of an interesting article which appeared in the June 24, 1995, issue of Science News concerning evidence from DNA data indicating a gene flow from Anatolia into Europe beginning around 9,000 years BP. Hubey also points out that there is genetic evidence that nomads from the central Eurasian Yamna culture spread westward into Europe approximately 5,500 years ago.
While it is indeed reasonable to link the first migration with the spread of agriculture, it does not follow that those who migrated spoke any form of Indo-European ("Pre-", "Proto-", or dialects thereof). Nor does it follow that "[i]t is possible that both expansions were responsible for the spread of different subfamilies of Indo-European languages..."
We know from cuneiform records that by 3,000 BCE Anatolia was populated (at least in part, if not in full) by people speaking Caucasian languages. In eastern Anatolia, Hurrian and the later attested and closely-related Urartean were spoken. These languages have been convincingly shown by Sergej Starostin and Igor Diakonoff to be related to Northeast Caucasian. In central Anatolia, Hattic was spoken -- this was later replaced by Hittite, an Indo-European language. Diakonoff maintains that Hattic was also a Caucasian language. Finally, Diakonoff has claimed that the language spoken by the Gutians (Qutians) was a Caucasian language.
Moreover, there are no unambiguous references to Indo-European people or languages in written records from the ancient Near East until just before 2,000 BCE, and the first references are to Hittites. It is generally agreed by specialists (for example, Gamkrelidze, Mellaart, Puhvel, Steiner, among others) that the Hittites were invaders who imposed themselves upon populations speaking Caucasian languages (in particular, Hattic).
Thus, there is much stronger evidence that prior to about 2,000 BCE, Anatolia was populated by speakers of Caucasian languages than by speakers of Indo-European languages. Thus, it follows logically that if one were to attempt to correlate gene flow at about 9,000 BP from Anatolia to Europe with language spread that one would tend to think more about very early forms of Caucasian rather than Indo-European.
Allan R. Bomhard
Boston, Massachusetts
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posted on
03/30/2003 6:02:45 PM PST
by
blam
To: blam
Oh, yes. I always forget about the Hurrian peoples, and Urartu, and Hatti. I hadn't heard about the Hittites being invaders, though.
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posted on
03/30/2003 8:14:24 PM PST
by
jimtorr
To: jimtorr
Ryan & Pittman in their book, Noah's Flood, (a book about the saltwater Mediterranean Sea flooding into the Black Sea), speculate that the flood 7,600 years ago caused the people around that area to migrate up all the river valleys bringing agriculture and their language with them into Europe.
Linguists have traced all the Indo-European languages to Anatolia lending support to their theory....and agriculture words were the key.
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posted on
03/30/2003 8:45:44 PM PST
by
blam
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