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10-year-old held in slaying of boy, 3 -- Beating with bat and sex assault called 'horrific'
Newark Star Ledger ^
| 3/28/03
| DORE CARROLL AND TOM HAYDON
Posted on 03/28/2003 6:11:55 AM PST by Incorrigible
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To: PaulJ
Sure, the sister was negligent in keeping a watchful eye on her little brother. But to *blame* her for his murder is wrong. The 10 year old is the disgusting murderer...not the sister. The murderer took advantage of an unfortunate opportunity. He is to blame ultimately.
To: goldstategop
Broken? His mom died of cancer. Most kids who lose a parent to accident or illness don't turn into sociopaths. A bigger problem here is that apparently a couple who were both blind decided it was perfectly okay to go ahead and have a child, despite a lack of responsible relatives nearby willing to help raise the child.
To: The Great RJ
He might have been a victim of it himself, not that it excuses what he did.
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posted on
03/28/2003 7:20:49 AM PST
by
ladylib
To: Hermann the Cherusker; goldstategop
I disagree about execution, since this boy is almost certainly a victim of irresponsible parenting, and had no real chance of developing normally. That said, society needs to face the fact that many types of criminals simply cannot be rehabilitated, and establish institutions where they can lead productive lives while remaining supervised and segregated from free society, with no possibility of release. If they can't manage to function peacefully in those places, then it's probably time to fry 'em.
To: steplock
You were unusually sheltered. Most kids at ten know what sex is. That doesn't correspond to wanting to sexually abuse and beat to death small children.
The murderer probably got first-hand experience with sexual abuse.
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posted on
03/28/2003 7:26:33 AM PST
by
SarahW
To: PaulJ
she was 17 and at the library. how can you put blame there?
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posted on
03/28/2003 7:30:08 AM PST
by
fml
(freedom begins with W!)
To: Incorrigible
>Meanwhile, the child
underwent therapy, the sources said, and DYFS involvement came to an end last July when school officials reported to the agency that the boy's behavioral problems were improving and tutoring sessions were improving his grades. The social worker also reported the father was capable of parenting the boy.
How interesting
would it be to make public
the social worker's
notes from the sessions
of his "therapy?" Are more
"troubled" bombs ticking?
To: Incorrigible
Boy, I wonder if this kid has ever seen pornography. Gee, I wonder.
To: hot august night
NJ is a pretty scumbag state.
"It took me six months to get my gun permit in NJ -- the good-meaning folks in Trenton denied my first application because they said my fingerprints were "unreadable." Even my local police dept. thought that was ridiculous and far-fetched. "
A carry permit or just a purchase permit? Whenever I go through the purchase permit process it takes three months that which should take 10 minutes. It seems the PD and the state drag their feet on purpose.
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posted on
03/28/2003 8:27:52 AM PST
by
jjm2111
To: steplock
Some street kids are way too sexually aware, others are pushed into sexuality by parents who are over eager for their kids to be "popular", but still others are as you say, pushed too early by sex education classes in the grade schools. My guess is that this kid had probably just completed his sex ed. classes at 10, and they did indeed include a mention of homosexual activity.
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posted on
03/28/2003 8:30:29 AM PST
by
Eva
To: Mean Maryjean
I'd bet my next paycheck you're right. He's learned this violent, sexually destructive behavior at someone else's hands.
To: SarahW
You were unusually sheltered
NO, I WAS RAISED CORRECTLY.
I was born in 1951. We didn't have tons of trash being forced fed into my head. But I think that those of the previous generation thought that rock & roll was evil too.
But I still did not thoughts of sex, drugs, etc, until 8th grade or so ... gee ...come to think of it, that was around the same time my family STAYED stateside.
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posted on
03/28/2003 8:42:12 AM PST
by
steplock
( http://www.spadata.com)
To: Incorrigible
He threw rocks at dogs? Oh my God, PETA is going to be outraged!
To: steplock
Where do these 10 year olds get thses ideas? Don't forget the parents. I have a few men in my workplace who were actually having a conversation about buying their 6-8 year old daughters "real short short outfits, because they have nice long legs and like to show them off". Another man said his 6 year old daughter is a "Brittney Spears wanna be, and she is hot" (meaning his daughter). Sexualize them and this is what we get.
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posted on
03/28/2003 8:59:45 AM PST
by
luckodeirish
(And I hope you are lucky too)
To: steplock
Not having any idea of sex when until you are 12 or 13 is unusual. And I don't think being protected from the facts of life until then is a requisite of correct parenting.
Knowing about sex has nothing necessarily to do with "trash" being stuffed into your head.
Perhaps you never had exposure to farm life, or had pets, or had the facts of life explained to you in increments. iN my own xase, I had all of the above, (in addition to access to an extensive medical library.)
The fact remains that most children by the age of ten know the mechanics of sex. So this doesn't have anything to do with this child being so incredibly abnormal.
His pathology does not stem from that knowlege, it stems probably from being sexually assaulted himself.
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posted on
03/28/2003 9:00:05 AM PST
by
SarahW
To: Incorrigible
"It's too much for anybody to bear."
That's a fact.
To: luckodeirish
I will guarantee that pornography is implicated in this 'child's' background ... for which the parents should be libel.
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posted on
03/28/2003 9:05:55 AM PST
by
MHGinTN
(If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
To: goldstategop
The fruits of liberalism in America. The deadly corrosion that spews from within.
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posted on
03/28/2003 9:08:04 AM PST
by
MHGinTN
(If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
To: MHGinTN
I will guarantee that pornography is implicated in this 'child's' background I agree, and I am sure porno is not the only thing happening in his "home".
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posted on
03/28/2003 9:10:27 AM PST
by
luckodeirish
(And I hope you are lucky too)
To: steplock
I was born in 1962, and just like you, I had no idea what sex was at age 10 either. I wasn't particulary sheltered. I am glad I was allowed to have a childhood and not be bothered with adult things.
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posted on
03/28/2003 9:11:10 AM PST
by
Hillary's Lovely Legs
(May all of Saddam's virgins look like Helen Thomas)
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