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Biggest British tank battle since El Alamein
The Times ^ | March 28, 2003 | David Charter and Alan Hamilton

Posted on 03/27/2003 4:19:08 PM PST by MadIvan

Challengers wipe out column of Iraqi T55s after chance encounter in Basra desert

THE morning sun was up, the fog of war had briefly lifted. In the distance, a moving cloud of dust betrayed a column of armour on the move.

Twenty miles southeast of Basra, 14 Challenger 2 tanks of C Squadron, Royal Scots Dragoon Guards, were on their way to reinforce 3 Commando Brigade, Royal Marines on al-Faw peninsula.

They were not expecting tanks from the north; they had another mission in mind. But they had reached the position they were in only because of some speedy and brilliant bridge building by 28 Regiment, Royal Engineers, to get them across the obstacle of the Basra Canal.

Long-range spotters with the Dragoon Guards peered at the dust cloud; distinctive lumps on the distant armour immediately identified it as a column of Iraqi T55 tanks. The Scots crews were about to engage in the biggest — and most decisive — tank battle fought by the British since El Alamein in the Second World War.

The Iraqi column, which had moved south out of Basra, had already been pounded by air bombardment and artillery. Remnants were trying to disperse across open countryside. When the approaching armour had been spotted and identified, the Dragoon Guards, who had been travelling from west to east, split into two groups of seven tanks each as they closed in on the enemy.

One group came across a troop of Iraqi T55s in the process of being deserted as their occupants realised they were being overwhelmed by air and ground assaults. The other tempted the enemy into a “kill box” in a classic hunter-killer battlefield technique.

They lured the Iraqi squadron into believing they were being attacked only by a light infantry unit of commandos. But when the old Russian-built tanks made themselves visible in a wooded area, the Challengers moved in from the flank and began picking them off one by one at a range of about 1,500 metres.

“This was shock action. It was 14 against 14, and the score was 14-nil,” a military spokesman at UK National Contingent headquarters in Qatar said after the brief encounter, which is now regarded as one of the most decisive actions by ground forces in the war so far. “It was nothing less than a suicide mission by the Iraqis; it had no military logic,” the spokesman said.

The T55s, an upgraded version of an old Soviet warhorse dating back to 1955, stood little chance against the Challengers. The British tanks opened fire simultaneously, firing up to six rounds a minute with deadly accuracy while still bouncing over the rough ground at 25mph.

Their advanced stabilisation system, the best of its kind, keeps the gun steady and aimed even when the vehicle is jolting over rocky terrain. The T55s, which cannot fire effectively on the move and have to stop to take an accurate shot, had no chance.

Inside the 61-ton Challengers, the gunners were using the world’s most sophisticated tank targeting system, using a console similar to that on a PlayStation computer game to pick out targets at will. Commanders say this system is loved by young crews used to the non-stop action of computer battle games.

But this was no game. The Challengers were firing depleted uranium shells that drill through armour to create a vacuum and incredible heat inside the target, sucking all air and life from it.

Inside the Challengers, the well-rehearsed, clinically efficient process of aiming, loading, firing and reloading was repeated 14 times. The encounter was over in a matter of minutes. All 14 Iraqi tanks were destroyed, and all 14 British, each with a four-man crew, escaped unscathed.

One British commander denied that the engagement had been a “turkey shoot”, with the enemy standing no chance. “If you see the enemy you do not wait for them to shoot first,” he said.

“This was what we call a ‘meeting engagement’ because the two forces just ran into each other. We were moving from west to east to reinforce the Royal Marines on the east side of Basra when we happened to bump into 14 T55s which were coming from the north to the south towards Umm Qsar.” Another tank officer said that the engagement had been “like the bicycle against the motor car”.

Among the Dragoon Guards there was jubilation and not a little nationalistic pride. “This is what we’ve been waiting for, and this is what Scotland’s cavalry does the best,” a regimental spokesman said.

“Until now we felt as though we had been left somewhat on the sidelines, now now we’ve had some serious tank-on-tank action that has really got the guys buzzing.”

The spokesman added: “To take out 14 tanks, which is the equivalent of an entire British squadron, is a massive achievement. It’s a severe blow to what is already a hugely demoralised army, and hopefully it might tempt some of the hard cases currently in Basra to think again.”

The mood among C Squardon was one of euphoria last night. Captain Patrick Trueman, of the Dragoon Guards, shared the moment of jubiliation.

“This has been a famous victory and one which should go down in the regiment’s history. Everyone here is delighted at the efforts of C Squadron, which have given the entire battle group a massive boost ahead of some very trying times.”

By yesterday afternoon British officers were describing the area south of Basra as “a T55 graveyard” after a series of coalition strikes that have left dozens of burnt-out Iraqi vehicles littering the terrain.

However, US Central Command admitted that reports of a giant column of more than 100 armoured vehicles charging out of Basra on Wednesday night were grossly exaggerated because of a false electronic surveillance signal.

It was, US commanders said, a classic example of the fog of war. “We determined it was a different-sized force, and we destroyed it,” a US military spokesman said.

The daylight foray by Iraqi tanks yesterday morning may have been an attempt to test the strength of British forces enclircling Basra, or a vain attempt to relieve the southern port of Uum Qsar, British sources believe.

Alternatively, they believe, the Iraqi tactic, carried out by press-ganged crews, may be to engage in regular confrontations, however suicidal, because images or reports of fighting play well in the Arab world.

But it was from military headquarters all the way back to the Dragoon Guards’ Scots homeland that yesterday’s confrontation played exceptionally well.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: basra; blair; bush; challenger2; elalamein; iraq; saddam; t55; t55s; turkeyshoot; uk; us; war
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To: MadIvan
You guys are kicking some prodigious Iraqi butt.

Just curious. In addition to the Challenger having a vastly superior fire control system, I imagine it would have a much longer effective range and heavier and more effective armor. Sounds like those T55s never had a chance.
101 posted on 03/27/2003 8:17:47 PM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Kay Soze
Re: T55 use: A lot of the Iraqi T72s blowed up real good when Norman and his people visited the sandbox. And those palaces ain't cheap.
102 posted on 03/27/2003 8:23:32 PM PST by 185JHP ( Brisance. Puissance. Resolve.)
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To: MadIvan
Great post. This will be such a shock for CNN and the rest of the media whores, and a bit of downright rotten news to Clintonites everywhere!
103 posted on 03/27/2003 8:24:49 PM PST by Husker8877
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To: Slainte
Love seeing the Pipes, thanks for the picture.
104 posted on 03/27/2003 8:28:02 PM PST by Irish Eyes
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To: MadIvan
Wow, an article that actually presents an Allied victory in a favorable light. Too bad the American papers don't know how to write stories like this. Here the headline would have been:

"US soldier stubbs toe in engagement with Iraqi armor"
105 posted on 03/27/2003 8:30:58 PM PST by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces †)
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To: Centurion2000
What’s crap about 1500m? The T55’s were lured into a trap and engaged close-in, you know ‘don’t fire until you see the whites of their eyes’ - seems perfectly reasonable too me.
106 posted on 03/27/2003 8:35:36 PM PST by spitz
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To: MadIvan
Wonderful post. My hat is off to these guys. Sure glad they are on our team!

Amazing...how efficiently they destroyed the T55's.
107 posted on 03/27/2003 8:46:50 PM PST by TheLion
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To: MadIvan
A PINT ALL AROUND FOR ALL THE TROOPS!! HURRAH!! HURRAH!! HURRAH!!
108 posted on 03/27/2003 8:48:17 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Pahuanui
Kurst....now that was, The Mother of all Battles!

Interesting read. The Germans lost 350 tanks in a single day...wow!
109 posted on 03/27/2003 8:54:55 PM PST by TheLion
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To: spitz
What’s crap about 1500m? The T55’s were lured into a trap and engaged close-in, you know ‘don’t fire until you see the whites of their eyes’ - seems perfectly reasonable too me.

I think it's great myself. I'm just saying that 1500m is a short range encounter .... most tankers in the last Gulf war stood off beyong the range of the T-72's guns and just plinked 'em.

Same results, just different tactics :)

110 posted on 03/27/2003 8:56:41 PM PST by Centurion2000 (We are crushing our enemies, seeing him driven before us and hearing the lamentations of the liberal)
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To: Kay Soze
I don't think we ever sold or gave any M1__'S to Iraq.
111 posted on 03/27/2003 9:26:01 PM PST by JSteff
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To: Centurion2000
Sorry my mistake, I thought you meant crap in the sense of ‘what a load of rubbish’.

My apologies.
112 posted on 03/27/2003 9:26:52 PM PST by spitz
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To: SevenDaysInMay
Didn't the Scots Greys charge without infantry costing them everything but immortal valor?

I will have to admit that the details of the charge depicted are unknown to me. However, the outcome of the final battle is not.

It is also not clear the reasons for pointing this out to all. The point I was making was the Brits along with the Scots and to a lesser extent, the Irish, have a long and proud military tradition, one that is being carried on today.

113 posted on 03/27/2003 9:38:11 PM PST by Michael.SF. (A nod is as good as a wink, to a blind horse.)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
For all everyone says about the T-72 when has it ever done well in battle? Didn't the Israeli's in reworked M60's whip some of them in the Yom Kippur war? I also think our marines in M60's beat some of them in GWI.
I don't know of any that have done well against modern western tanks...EVER. Except maybe the M60's the Iranians had were beat by the Iraqi T-72's... but they were used by the Iranians, 'nough said.

The T-72's when driven by Soviets might have been a tough tank but are not used well by their clients.
114 posted on 03/27/2003 9:41:47 PM PST by JSteff
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To: MadIvan
You have posted some great articles and great commentary. I look forward to seeing them.
115 posted on 03/27/2003 9:45:34 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: sonofatpatcher2
I've seen that pair posted before ...

I'm talking about Bones and Kirk!

116 posted on 03/27/2003 9:53:17 PM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: TheLion
Kursk. Although they lost 350 I think the Russians lost probably double that. Russian numbers, like U.S. numbers is what beat German armour.

Even after the breakout from Nomandy I think the Germans had like a 5 to 1 kill ratio over the allies in tank battles. They made great tanks.
117 posted on 03/27/2003 9:54:27 PM PST by JSteff
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To: tophat9000
I'm not sure where you are located, but there is a place in Pasadena called Hortie-Van Flags. I haven't lived in that area in over a dozen years. (626) 577-1776 1940 East Walnut.
118 posted on 03/27/2003 10:01:43 PM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: JSteff
Yep....logistics was the biggest factor in winning the war for the Allies. That, coupled with the will to win and the right fighting spirt, was an unbeatable combination.
119 posted on 03/27/2003 10:02:48 PM PST by TheLion
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To: Slainte; MadIvan
Opening blow...A Scot Dragon guard marks thestart of military action

I'll never forget seeing the movie-portrayal of the bagpipe story in "The Longest Day".
I bet I was bearly five years old when my father took me to the movie...

Mr Millin was 21, and the personal piper to Lord Lovat, when he was ordered to ignore
Army rules banning the playing of pipes in battle. German prisoners said later
that they called him the "mad piper" and that their snipers had ignored him.

Mr Millin said: "Afterwards Lord Lovat said I was going to be the greatest hero in
the history of warfare. He said to me, 'You were a true Scotsman when you led the
greatest invasion in history'."


Other bagpipe stuff:

Q: What do you call a man who can play the bagpipes...and doesn't?
A: A gentleman

Aside from large concert organs, my humble opinion is that the bagpipes are just
about the coolest instrument invented before the synthesizer and the melotron (sp?)
were first built.
120 posted on 03/27/2003 10:15:13 PM PST by VOA
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