Understanding Islam And Its Radicals

ConservativeTruth.org ^ | November 11, 2001 | Ana Barrett

[Luis Gonzalez]

This has to be the most balanced article that I've read on this subject, it's old, but for some reason was never posted in FR.

The thought that the true enemy is the Islamic religion in and of itself advances bin Laden's goal.

After the attacks on 9/11, the US government was left with no alternative other than retaliation of one sort or another. We had to extract radical Muslim terrorists, one's with no particular external association with any specific country, out of countries with existing hostile governments.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Your thoughts?

[Uncle Miltie]

"The Islamic view of the world is that man is inherently good. If man is depraved by society, then any government can create a perfect society by enforcing Islamic law."

Fatal Flaw Bump.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Which part?

[Uncle Miltie]

"Of course most Muslims do not support such violence as terrorism."

But a majority opposed the overthrow of the Taliban. Square that circle, please.

[Uncle Miltie]

Man is not inherently good.

[Luis Gonzalez]

The majority of the people living under the rule of the Taiban did not oppose the overthrow, the majority of the people NOT living under the rule of the Taliban opposed the overthrow.

The question is whether they opposed it on religious grounds "fight the invaders", because they supported terrorism, or whether they opposed the idea of America and other western powers conducting what they (and some of us) see as nation building by the US, and in accordance to western needs.

[jimt]

Perhaps that is the plan: Goad Muslims into hating the West so much that anything goes.

Horsepuckey. They brought their hate to us.

Perhaps the plan is to make Muslims FEAR the West so much that they'll keep their terrorism at home, practicing it only on their wives and children.

[Luis Gonzalez]

That's funny, I see the flaw as being the other half of the sentence. I see theocracies as being more likely to abuse the rights of the people.

[Uncle Miltie]

I will take their unwillingness to oppose terrorists and terrorist states as support of same. Ambiguity on the question is out of the question.

[TLBSHOW]

bttt

[freedomson]

Allah is the adversary passing itself off as the true God, Adonai.

As long as there are great numbers of people 'worshiping' satan, there will be great trouble.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"They brought their hate to us."

Did you not read the article?

That's exactly what it says, but it points to radicals, specifically bin Laden, and explains WHY they do it. Not just some vast, faceless, nameless "they".

[muawiyah]

The majority had no idea what the Taliban were really about. In fact, the majority of Moslems live in such wretchedly impoverished places it's likely they really have no idea what America is.

[Luis Gonzalez]

So then, the enemy is terrorism as a form of warfare, people who committ terrorist acts, and those governments who either sponsor, or knowingly support terrorism by their passive stance.

[muawiyah]

Regarding theocracies, at the moment the world may have two or three. Over the last 1000 years there really haven't been many of them. A quick examination of the situation reveals that three nations alone, none of which were theocracies, have accounted for most of the oppression and terror deaths over that period. They are Red China, USSR and the Third Reich.

Having said that, let's see what your evidence is for your statement that theocracies are more likely (than what) to abuse the people.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Hitting-the-hammer-on-the-head BUMP!

[Uncle Miltie]

Agreed. Fatal flaws abound in the Islamic world-view. Too bad for the average Joe, since the wrath of civilization is gonna crash down around his ears.

[Righty1]

We didn't try to understand the SS we just killed them!

[Uncle Miltie]

"So then, the enemy is terrorism as a form of warfare, people who committ terrorist acts, and those governments who either sponsor, or knowingly support terrorism by their passive stance."

Bingo. Unfortunately, terrorism is well accepted by many Muslims. Taking Daniel Pipe's estimate that 10-15% of muslims are Islamofascist terrorist types, that means 120,000,000 want to convert or kill you while trying.

While we fight them, the other 90% become potential collateral damage. 'Twould be better if they got busy and cleansed their cultures of the fascists, for our JDAMs cannot separate them every time.