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no, those changes were made because some people are stupid. Some misplaced concept of fairness to women might have been the banner they rallied behind, but I'm not discussing banners, I'm discussing realities. The reality is that we should go back to the high standards, and any one that can meet them should be allowed in combat.

The gas chamber test wasn't about speed of fitting the mask, it was about handling the gas. She didn't sing the hymn for fun, she sang it because that was the test, full deep breaths (which the singing necessitates) in a chamber filled with CS for around 30 seconds. You'll never win an argument by insulting someone's mother, rent a clue and stick to facts.

So we shouldn't even allow them to try because YOU'VE already decideed they'll fail. Gosh what an enlightened individual. sorry you're WRONG AGAIN. Some would pass, some will always pass. Deal.

and now you're changing the subject. It was about the women facing the horrors of combat now you're talking about the shipmates. Stick to the subject.

They're discussing letting women in the NFL RIGHT NOW. They're having to because so many college teams are letting them be kickers. It's coming. I know you wont be man enough to apologize when the NFL proves you horribly worng though.

So you actually think the weakest man can squat 155 kilos http://www.powerlifting.org.au/Wom40.htm So much for the strongest woman being equivalent to the weakest man.

Letting them be kickers shows the inherent dishonesty of the entire project. Basically they are saying that since a woman soccer player can kick a ball and the kicker doesn't get tackled on every play, or even most plays they think they can get away with it. Every so often one of these girls will be crippled but they won't all get crippled right away so they can maintain the illusion of equality. They won't make females linemen because the line has to take the full brutality of the sport on every play. All you are really doing is abolishing the requirement that all of the members of the team be able to sustain the maximum level of violence and injury in order to play the sport. Even if you could give a woman enough steroids to build up the same amount of muscle as a man, you still can't duplicate the male skeleton in a female. This is why female basketball players have a significantly higher risk of knee injuries than male basketball players. It has to do with the angle of the hips which in turn is a result of the female pelvis having to accomodate childbirth.

The military has been doing the same thing which you advocate for football which is to take what have traditionally been combat positions and redefine them as non-combat positions. Restrictions and standards which apply to combat then no longer apply to those positions. The problem is calling it a non combat position doesn't make it a non combat position when a war actually happens. Nobody is denying that your Mom is a tough lady but saying that there is no physical difference between males and females and then staking peoples lives on that is dishonest.

The gas chamber test wasn't about speed of fitting the mask, it was about handling the gas. She didn't sing the hymn for fun, she sang it because that was the test, full deep breaths (which the singing necessitates) in a chamber filled with CS for around 30 seconds...

Beg your pardon, but you're spouting this BS to an infantry officer who has led units through combat training evolutions many times, and through combat once -- so I might have a clue about the purpose of that training. Let's not confuse a training aid with with the real thing.

We don't wear protective gear to survive enemy use of nonlethal gas, so the purchase of the gas chamber is not to prove that you can "handle" the CS gas. The purpose of the nuisance gas is to add emphasis and realism to the training, and to instill trust in the proper use of the protective gear. Rest assured that when that gear has to be used in combat, it will be because the enemy employs a deadly substance which no unmasked person can "handle."

...now you're changing the subject. It was about the women facing the horrors of combat now you're talking about the shipmates. Stick to the subject.

It was you who asked about the effect of women upon unit cohesion. Human nature and unit cohesion are inextricably related, and it is apparent that you understand neither.

They're discussing letting women in the NFL RIGHT NOW. They're having to because so many college teams are letting them be kickers. It's coming. I know you wont be man enough to apologize when the NFL proves you horribly worng though.

Yeah. Right.

So you actually think the weakest man can squat 155 kilos... So much for the strongest woman being equivalent to the weakest man.

Policy isn't made on account of freakish examples of either sex. You still have the mistaken impression that fitness for combat can be determined in a series of tests, and that a handful of geeked-up amazons are therefore qualified as warriors. If you ever witnessed two men fight to the death (or if you were ever one of them), the level of sheer brutality would erase all of your grand illusions.