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To: discostu
Oh please, you're going to blame the women for some pinhead in Washington lowering the standards?! How about blaming the idiot that lowered the damned standards.

You are correct; with those pinheads is precisely where the blame lies. But let us not ignore the fact that the standards have been lowered to accomodate women.

If they can pass the tests they have ALREADY PROVEN they can fight.

They have proven nothing. Only fighting proves that one can fight. The Corps doesn't even match women against men with pugil sticks; real combat, with its absence of all male restraint, would prove even more of a massacre.

Why should I ask my father about the PRT when my mother had to pass the exact same thing? How many verses of the hymn did you get out in the teargas room, my mom got out two, the PRT required one, she passed the test.

The Marine Corps did not administer the PRT to females, and if you understood what comprised the test, the reason would be obvious. As for the gas chamber qualification, it is a familiarization test to ensure that everyone knows how to quickly and properly fit and seal his gas mask; the nonlethal CS is used to motivate everyone to pay attention. While Xena was singing the Hymn, a stronger male enemy would be snapping her neck.

As I've said, repeatedly, only to be ignored, I don't want any kind of double standard. Same tests for everybody, and they better be damn tough tests, especially for the Marines.

If the standards were the same -- yet still "damn tough" as you propose, no women would pass, and the issue of women in combat would be a moot point.

WRONG AGAIN. I'm a man. But I'm familiar enough with the region that I know sexual assault isn't reserved for women. And I'm familiar enough with psychology to know that it's equally scarring to both genders.

Then you are a man in a fantasy world. Torture of a male does not have the same impact upon his shipmates as even the threat of torturing a woman. As another poster correctly stated, an assault on a male is an assault on one man, while an assault on a female is an assault on the entire unit. You are fighting the nature of both women and men, and the resulting impact on a unit's cohesiveness and ability to win in battle.

Women don't play in the NFL because it too is living in the past. They're coming. It's not gonna be long. And you'll have to decide which century you live in.

Oh, sure. As long as the NFL is about violence and winning, it will be played by men -- and we're not talking about kickers. To the ultimate extent, war is about winning and nothing else.

As for the strongest women being no better than the weakest men, what a large stinking pile of moronic dog crap. Go say that in the nearest gym. On average women aren't as strong as men, any statement across the board is doomed to idiotic failure. You're wrong, and thank God the American people are learning you're wrong. This isn't about "placing" anybody. This is about allowing those who can achieve to achieve. No double stndards, no lowering of the standards, just aknowledging the simple truth.

Fantasy. It is one thing to be just plain wrong, even to fly in the face of the obvious. I just hope that your misguided theories never have to be proven wrong on the battlefield. It would be an ugly sight, and a needless tragedy.

146 posted on 03/26/2003 8:50:18 AM PST by Always A Marine
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To: Always A Marine
no, those changes were made because some people are stupid. Some misplaced concept of fairness to women might have been the banner they rallied behind, but I'm not discussing banners, I'm discussing realities. The reality is that we should go back to the high standards, and any one that can meet them should be allowed in combat.

The gas chamber test wasn't about speed of fitting the mask, it was about handling the gas. She didn't sing the hymn for fun, she sang it because that was the test, full deep breaths (which the singing necessitates) in a chamber filled with CS for around 30 seconds. You'll never win an argument by insulting someone's mother, rent a clue and stick to facts.

So we shouldn't even allow them to try because YOU'VE already decideed they'll fail. Gosh what an enlightened individual. sorry you're WRONG AGAIN. Some would pass, some will always pass. Deal.

and now you're changing the subject. It was about the women facing the horrors of combat now you're talking about the shipmates. Stick to the subject.

They're discussing letting women in the NFL RIGHT NOW. They're having to because so many college teams are letting them be kickers. It's coming. I know you wont be man enough to apologize when the NFL proves you horribly worng though.

So you actually think the weakest man can squat 155 kilos http://www.powerlifting.org.au/Wom40.htm So much for the strongest woman being equivalent to the weakest man.
150 posted on 03/26/2003 9:05:14 AM PST by discostu (I have not yet begun to drink)
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