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Liberal complaints about tax code ignore who is really shouldering the burden
St. Paul Pioneer Press ^ | 3/25/03 | Jason Lewis

Posted on 03/25/2003 3:59:48 AM PST by rhema

Members of Minnesota's liberal elite are jumping all over a new report from the state Revenue Department allegedly showing the rich getting off easy when it comes to measuring the state and local tax burden as a percent of income.

But deliberately confusing disposable income with the true tax burden (also revealed in the tax incidence study, but routinely ignored in the press) isn't really very convincing.

Measuring taxes as a percent of income is problematic in the extreme if you care at all for economic liberty. Is it really newsworthy that the rich have more after-tax income than the poor? They have more money left over after they buy groceries, too. Does that mean the baker should charge the wealthy a higher price for the same loaf of bread based on their ability to pay? Gee, the tailor could have three prices for the same suit —one for the poor, a higher one for the middle class, and of course, even higher for the well dressed.

No, the best measure of the tax burden is the percent of total taxes paid. If you don't believe me, consider this when deciding just who is actually shouldering Minnesota's punitive tax burden: If the top 10 percent of income earners (the rich) withheld their tax contributions, how long could the government run? Not very long, according to the Revenue Department report.

In fact, the fortunate top 10 percent of Minnesota households (those making $102,412 or more) pay 39 percent of the total state and local tax burden and a whopping 55 percent of the individual income tax collected.

Now, how long could government function if the bottom 10 percent of earners (the poor) decided to quit paying taxes? Given the total amount of state and local taxes paid by this group (they are actually net income tax recipients, not payers) amounts to just 1.6 percent of revenue collected, well…you get the point.

Those so wedded to the politics of envy should explain that in order to erase the $4.2 billion deficit by just soaking the top 10 percent of households — many of which include entrepreneurs filing as sole proprietorships — the state would have to raise their effective tax rate by over 73 percent. Now that's a great way to keep business in Minnesota.

The problem with all this income analysis, be it quintiles or deciles, is its failure to account for the fabulously wealthy mixed in with the top 10 percent, which pushes the effective tax rate down for the entire group and then some. For instance, raising Minnesota's top income tax rate of 7.85 percent would hit single earners with an income of just $61,461 and whose total effective tax rate is already 12 percent. Are these the folks who need a tax hike?

By almost any analysis, Minnesota remains an extremely high tax and spend state, anywhere from third highest in the nation per capita to sixth, depending on whether you're quoting the Census Bureau, the Revenue Department, the Tax Foundation or the National Conference of State Legislatures.

A few dedicated leftists may not think that Minnesota's high taxes on the so-called wealthy matter, but most other states do. Perhaps that's why newly elected Gov. Bill Richardson of New Mexico is cutting that state's top income tax rate.

The fact is Minnesota's tax code is already less "regressive" than other states. But that's apparently not good enough for the class warriors, such as Rep. Joe Atkins of Inver Grove Heights, who recently quipped, "We're not even proportional. We're not even close to a flat tax."

Therefore, so the argument goes, Minnesota must keep — even raise — its "progressive" income tax to offset the "regressive" sales and property tax. Their new-found advocacy of the flat tax, however, would be a bit more credible if they were willing to apply it to the federal income tax code, where, according to the IRS, the top 0.5 percent of earners pay more than 31 percent of the federal tax (larger than their share of adjusted gross income). In fact, the 400 wealthiest taxpayers pay nearly as much in federal income taxes as the 40 million ratepayers at the bottom of the income scale.

Even a so-called "regressive" tax scheme elicits a higher burden for the well-to-do. The only way it wouldn't is with an equal distribution of income. Which is, by the way, what this debate is really all about.

The economic left dislikes "regressive" taxes because they really seek to equalize income. But, of course, income is not distributed; it is earned. Economist Thomas Sowell once opined that if the country could somehow double everyone's earnings tomorrow, a few Democrats would be against it because the rich would get more. How true. Let us dispense with the niceties, the problem for the modern day liberal isn't with tax policy —it's with capitalism.

Lewis (e-mail: jason@am1500.com) hosts a weekday talk show from 5 to 8 p.m. on KTSP-AM Radio.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: taxreform

1 posted on 03/25/2003 3:59:48 AM PST by rhema
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To: rhema
Thanks for posting this...I used to live in MN and miss Jason Lewis' show...any idea if he does a web broadcast?
2 posted on 03/25/2003 4:14:31 AM PST by gas_dr
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To: rhema
But deliberately confusing disposable income with the true tax burden (also revealed in the tax incidence study, but routinely ignored in the press) isn't really very convincing.

"To each according to his need...
From each according to his ability."

Sound familiar? The Communist/Socialist approach to economic justice collapses every time it is tried.
I wonder why?

The current "Progressives" hide the fact that their approach to taxation is identical and indistinguishable from Communism, and constantly express surprise that it is resisted.
The politics of envy is simply one expression of the social war between the social producers and the social parasites.

3 posted on 03/25/2003 4:22:05 AM PST by Publius6961 (p>)
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To: rhema
IRS data from Rush's website says,

Top 50% of Wage Earners Pay 96.09% of Income Taxes.

This, of course, at the federal level, not the state level.

4 posted on 03/25/2003 4:29:28 AM PST by libertylover (Republican, because I care.)
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To: gas_dr
I used to live in MN and miss Jason Lewis' show...any idea if he does a web broadcast?

I'm not sure, but you could check out AM 1500 to see if he does.

5 posted on 03/25/2003 4:45:47 AM PST by rhema
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To: rhema; Bigun; *Taxreform
I was struck by the author's question:

"Does that mean the baker should charge the wealthy a higher price for the same loaf of bread based on their ability to pay?

Well, they already do!

In my neck of the woods (Northern Virginia), consumers can purchase a loaf of bread for $1.00 when it is on sale at the Giant. So, to ease the math burden, let us use a $1.00 loaf of bread.

Now, for someone who does not pay any (lets just use the federal) income tax, the loaf of bread costs $1.00.

HST, there are many Americans who actually have a negative tax rate -- having paid no taxes in the first place they get a check FRom the feds, courtesy of the taxpayers. Therefore, their cost for the loaf of bread is actually less than $1.00.

The next federal tax rate (above the zero rate) is 10%. A consumer whose marginal tax rate is 10% will pay $1.11 for that very same loaf of bread.

A consumer whose marginal tax rate is 15% will pay $1.18 for that very same loaf of bread.

A consumer whose marginal tax rate is 28% will pay $1.39 for that very same loaf of bread.

A consumer whose marginal tax rate is 39% will pay $1.64 for that very same loaf of bread.

My example only demonstrates the hard truth about the federal progressive income tax system. On top of that evil, you have to add in your respective states' income tax.

So, what to do?

Replace the income tax with a fair, simple flat rate National Retail Sales Tax and abolish the IRS, thats what!

That way, everyone living in America would pay taxes at the exact same rate, and they would gain the ability to control the amount of taxes they pay by controlling their consumption.

For more information about the National Retail Sales Tax, click here.

6 posted on 03/25/2003 5:07:39 AM PST by Taxman
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To: Taxman
>>That way, everyone living in America would pay taxes at the exact same rate, and they would gain the ability to control the amount of taxes they pay by controlling their consumption.<<

With all due respect your logic here seems a bit convoluted. Applied against our current tax system; if I were to choose to control the amount of federal taxes I paid I would stop working. Applied against your proposal; if I were to choose to control the amount of federal taxes I paid I would stop spending. In both cases a choice to stop paying taxes would be detrimental to individual wants/needs and to the economy as a whole. I simply don’t see the logic in this. Why wouldn’t I want to earn more or why wouldn’t I want a new SUV? It seems counter intuitive to the reality of a society built on satisfying wants/needs and the accumulation of wealth.
7 posted on 03/25/2003 9:23:57 AM PST by TexInDallas
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To: TexInDallas
..against your proposal; if I were to choose to control the amount of federal taxes I paid I would stop spending.

...no, you would reduce spending on taxables...

8 posted on 03/25/2003 9:27:58 AM PST by Principled
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To: Principled
>>no, you would reduce spending on taxables...<<

But why would I want to do that? Don’t I want a new SUV, a new computer, or a new big screen TV??? I am not trying to be factious here. We are a consumer based economy so why do I want to reduce the amount I buy or buy lower quality items? It simply isn’t a realistic position for our type of society and economy.
9 posted on 03/25/2003 10:02:17 AM PST by TexInDallas
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To: TexInDallas
Good response, Tex.

I'm in a bit of a rush right now, and can't devote the time I need to adequately answer.

Think of it this way -- you get to keep all the money you earn. You would only pay taxes when you spend. So, the money you save or invest would accrue to you totally tax FRee. While it was saved or invested, that money would be used to grow the economy, i.e., unless you buried it or kept it in a sock, your savings/investments would be re-invested by savings institutions/businesses.

You, in other words, would be rewarded for working harder and saving and investing more instead of penalized as you are now when you work, save and invest.

I'd invite you to check out the FairTax research at http://www.fairtax.org. Read some of those articles, and later this evening I'll get back to you.
10 posted on 03/25/2003 10:16:34 AM PST by Taxman
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To: TexInDallas
I get what you're saying now...

If you wanted to reduce your tax burden, you could do so. You could choose to buy a used car or live in a pre-owned home for example.

That being said, you may not desire a used car or pre-owned home. So, you have to choose. Choice.

Keep in mind that today you have no choice.

And there is no connection between taxability and quality. I understand that it doesn't make sense to inhibit spending in a consumer driven economy. If indeed you wanted to design a tax system that would cause the most damage to a consumer driven economy, you would design a progressive income tax on business and individuals... a subtraction method value added tax. EGADS! That's what we have now!!!

11 posted on 03/25/2003 10:24:28 AM PST by Principled
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To: rhema
This is series!

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12 posted on 03/25/2003 11:32:02 AM PST by Fractal Trader (Free Republic Energized - - The power of Intelligence on the Internet! Checked by Correkt Spel (TM))
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To: Taxman
>>Think of it this way -- you get to keep all the money you earn. You would only pay taxes when you spend.<<

Everyone has some mandatory level of spending that is necessary to maintain a desired quality of life. Therefore I don’t get to keep what I earn, I get to keep what I earn relative a desired quality of life. The only way to keep more would be to reduce, or check, my desired quality of life.

>>So, the money you save or invest would accrue to you totally tax FRee. While it was saved or invested, that money would be used to grow the economy, i.e., unless you buried it or kept it in a sock, your savings/investments would be re-invested by savings<<

Honestly, I am not trying to create some convoluted argument here. But there are four sets of criteria that I think any tax reform should contain: One it should be revenue neutral, i.e. generate neither surpluses nor deficits; Two, do no economic harm; three, it should be grounded in reality; and four, it should be simple.

The problem I have with a consumption tax is just that, it taxes consumption. Our total economy (assuming I/E zero) is the summation of consumer spending, business spending, and government spending where increases in any or all areas translates to economic growth. A consumption tax would alter consumption patterns and, if revenue neutral, increase taxes on those with the highest propensity to consume. As such, consumer spending would shrink forcing business spending to shrink and therefore forcing a total reduction in the economy. And since aggregate income is dependent on total economy incomes would decline and the whole thing soon implodes.

The only way out of this is to forget about revenue neutrality and have some form of wealth transfer so as to leave the base level of aggregate consumption unchanged. Or...essentially, we maintain the same tax philosophy as we have now only call it by a different name. It just seems a lot of work to basically go no where.
13 posted on 03/25/2003 1:22:11 PM PST by TexInDallas
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To: Principled
>>Keep in mind that today you have no choice.<<

The choice would be to take a pay cut or stop working. This was my original point, we have to reduce quality of life in order to reduce the level of taxes paid. This would be true with our current tax system or the proposed consumption tax system.

>>And there is no connection between taxability and quality.<<

Why wouldn't there be?

<<I understand that it doesn't make sense to inhibit spending in a consumer driven economy. If indeed you wanted to design a tax system that would cause the most damage to a consumer driven economy, you would design a progressive income tax on business and individuals... a subtraction method value added tax. EGADS! That's what we have now!!!<<

A progressive tax is based heaviest against the propensity to save therefore would allow for higher economic growth than a revenue neutral consumption tax. The only time a progressive tax would restrict the economy is if it reduced savings/investment income below the amount necessary to keep up with consumer spending. We produced a 7T investment bubble durring our last business cycle so clearly a progressive tax didn't harm the economy.

With that said, I am not trying to promote a progressive tax; my tax preference would be a revenue neutral flat tax with one base exemption somewhere just below the median income area. Something along the line of Dick Armey’s only with a higher personal exemption and the elimination of all the wealth transfer credits he proposed.
14 posted on 03/25/2003 2:07:05 PM PST by TexInDallas
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To: libertylover; rhema
Top 50% of Wage Earners Pay 96.09% of Income Taxes.

Wonder what the number be if we included all the non-wage earners in this statistic...
15 posted on 03/25/2003 2:12:39 PM PST by uncitizen (hostile freepers need not reply)
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To: uncitizen
Top 50% of Wage Earners Pay 96.09% of Income Taxes.

Wonder what the number be if we included all the non-wage earners in this statistic...

I'm not sure what you mean. Do you think that statistic leaves out those who live on interest from "old money" or leaves out those on Social Security, etc.? Please explain.

16 posted on 03/25/2003 9:34:15 PM PST by libertylover (Republican, because I care.)
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To: TexInDallas
Oh my.

Never mind.

17 posted on 03/26/2003 5:57:59 AM PST by Principled
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To: libertylover
Top 50% of Wage Earners Pay 96.09% of Income Taxes. Wonder what the number be if we included all the non-wage earners in this statistic...

I'm not sure what you mean. Do you think that statistic leaves out those who live on interest from "old money" or leaves out those on Social Security, etc.? Please explain.


I was thinking that the statistic was deceiving in some way. For instance, if you don't pay close attention to the wording (ie "wage earners") you may go away with the impression that 50% of the population carry 96% of the tax burden. But when you include those people you mentioned as well as other "non-wage earners" (eg. welfare recipients) then it becomes apparent that some number less than 50% of the population actually carry 96% of the tax burden.

Does that make sense? Help me out if i'm wrong here.
18 posted on 03/26/2003 10:53:12 AM PST by uncitizen (hostile freepers need not reply)
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