Black Muslim US soldier is a suspect! ("10 U.S. Soldiers Hurt In Grenade Attack")

CBS News website ^ | 3-22-03 | CBS

[Atlas Sneezed]

(CBS) Ten U.S. soldiers were injured, six or seven of them seriously, in a grenade and small arms attack at Camp Pennsylvania in northern Kuwait, reports CBS News Correspondent Mark Strassmann, who is traveling with the U.S. Army's 101st Airborne Division.

Strassmann said the grenades were rolled into two commanders' tents at the camp. When officers ran from the tents, they were hit by small arms fire.

"From our reports it appears that a terrorist penetrated Camp Pennsylvania, one or more terrorists threw two hand grenades into a tent," said George Heath, spokesman at Fort Campbell, home base of the 101st.

Strassman said three suspects were being held for questioning, two Kuwaitis who served a translators and an American soldier described as a black Muslim.

The injured soldiers were rushed to a field hospital but military officials had no word on their conditions, Lt. Cmdr. Charles Owens said from Camp As Sayliyah in Qatar.

The military did not identify the unit of the 101st that was in the camp but said it had been in Kuwait for about one week. Most of the division has entered southern Iraq.

Separately, Strassmann reported, an Iraqi rocket fired at U.S. forces in Kuwait was destroyed by Patriot missiles launched from nearby Camp New Jersey.

The terror and missile attack came as the U.S. assault on Iraq gained steam. American and British forces besieged the southern city of Basra and pounded Baghdad with impunity. But tough fighting loomed for coalition troops as they pressed deeper into Iraq.

[Howlin]

It just is odd to me that the ones who scream loudest about Muslims seem to scream loudest about ALL religions -- and nationalities.

And for the record, Islam is NOT a cult.

[Victoria Delsoul]

Well, thanks so much. I appreciate the link and I like I said, I didn't know about any squabbles or insults or whatever went on before.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Discussed at lenght in my interview with Jamal Hoffman of the ISCoA.

[Thorondir]

Why, HE does, of course. His divine knowledge also enables him to determine that Black Muslims are not Muslims even though they claim to be Muslims and follow the Koran.

(It must be nice not to have to face the facts.)

[TLBSHOW]

Conservatives might wish that it would go away —

or at least that Norquist would stop calling people racists and bigots —

but they first have to worry about

the administration's Muslim outreach program, which gave rise to the conflict in the first place.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/872696/posts?page=

[Kryptonite]

Holy cow.

Thanks

[Thorondir]

That's cool, lady.

I really wish more people would take a look at that link. I wish more people would open their eyes and see the truth. Sticking our heads in the sand will only make it easier for the seventh-century savages to cover the world with their darkness. I shudder to think what will happen when they take Rome and Vatican City.

[Victoria Delsoul]

Thanks for the link.

[gwmoore]

GM Sam, I agree wholeheartedly with you.

There is a very good precident for summary execution, in case those of the lawyerly persuasion need some. During WWII, especially in the Ardennes Campaign (Battle of the Bulge), there were quite a few German specops types (usually American-born, so they would have natural accents), who were specifically tasked with infiltrating US Troops, and carrying out the same sort of fragging (not a WWII term, but one I am more familiar using), that occurred today. As I recall from my studies, back when history was history, and having grown up among WWII vets (I even thought I was going to be welcomed home from Vietnam [cynical LOL]), the "punishment" was about equally divided between shooting on the spot, a drumhead tribunal followed by shooting on the spot, or actual trials followed by Hanging ("Tod Durch den Strang") if one wants the sentence in the language in which it was pronounced to the impersonators.

There is a whole bunch of video clips floating around on the 'net showing the execution of sentence on these impersonators. I'm suprised that "John Jihad II" didn't see these at one time or another. I am even more surprised that justice was not meted out on the spot, but Broadcast Cameras do cramp one's style a bit [Huge evil Grin]

Keep the Faith for Freedom, and give your cats a scratch behind the ears for me. Greg

[Victoria Delsoul]

It's a powerful video. A bit slow to download but it's worth it. Thanks.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Islam in the U.S.	16 October 2001

U.S. Islamic Leaders Issue Fatwa on U.S. Muslim Soldiers Fighting Terrorists

By Phillip Kurata
Washington File Staff Writer

Washington -- Two prominent Islamic scholars in the United States have issued a fatwa, or legal opinion, on the importance of American Muslims serving in the U.S. military to defend their country and combat terrorism.

"All Muslims ought to be united against all those who terrorize the innocents, and those who permit the killing of non-combatants without a justifiable reason. The Muslim soldier must perform his duty in this fight despite the feeling of uneasiness of 'fighting without discriminating.' His intention must be to fight for enjoining of the truth and defeating falsehood. It's to prevent aggression on the innocents, or to apprehend the perpetrators and bring them to justice," the fatwa reads.

It was written by Taha Jabir Al-Alawani, President of the Fiqh Council of North America and President of the Graduate School of Islamic and Social Sciences, and Sheikh Muhammad Al-Hanooti, a member of the fiqh council. The two Islamic scholars issued their legal opinion in response to a query submitted by Chaplain Abdul-Rashid Muhammad, the most senior Muslim chaplain in the U.S. military, who sought guidance on the permissibility of U.S. Muslim servicemen to participate in the war effort in Afghanistan and other Muslim countries.

"Muslims are part of the American society. Anyone who feels he's fighting in a just war must fight," Al-Alawani said.

"We abide by every law of this country except those laws that are contradictory to Islamic law," said Sheikh Al-Hanooti. The sheikh added that U.S. Muslim military personnel may refuse to fight on the grounds of conscientious objection.

"If any Muslim serving in the U.S. Armed Forces has a conscientious objection to combat and believes that it is against Islamic principles to fight in any war, then that individual has the right to stand by his or her concience," Al-Hanooti said. "They realize, of course, that they may be administratively separated from the military as a result of their choice."

Muhammad, who is stationed at the Walter Reed military hospital in Washington, says there is no conflict between being a loyal soldier and a loyal Muslim. He is helping some Muslim American servicemen deal with their qualms about fighting terrorists who claim to represent Islam.

"It is time now for us to not only wake up, but speak up," Muhammad said in a recent interview. "The prophet said when we see evil action we are compelled to change it with our hand, challenge it with our tongue or at least hate it in our heart."

Muhammad, an African American who was raised as a Baptist, became the first Muslim chaplain in the U.S. military in 1993. Until then, all the 3,150 U.S. military chaplains were either Jews or Christians. In 1996, a second Muslim chaplain was commissioned by the Navy. Since then the number of Muslim chaplains in the U.S. military has grown to 14.

Qaseem Uqdah, a Marine Corps veteran who is executive director of the American Muslim Armed Forces and Veteran Affairs Council, said the Muslim military chaplains include Muslims who were born into the faith in Asia, Africa and the Middle East and Muslim converts, who include several African Americans, an Anglo-American and a Chinese American. Uqdah's group has been selected by the U.S. military to recommend people as Muslim chaplain candidates.

U.S. military officials say a shortage of candidates with the required education limits the number of Muslim military chaplains. Three Muslim chaplains are currently being trained at the Hartford Seminary in Connecticut.

The newest Muslim chaplain is James Yee, a Chinese American and a graduate of the West Point military academy, who was born into a Lutheran family. He became interested in Islam while a student and later spent four years studying Arabic and Islam in Damascus, Syria. Currently he serves with the 29th Signal Battalion at Fort Lewis, Washington.

Chaplain Yee said that Muslims on his base have come to him with worries about being ordered to fight Muslims overseas.

"An act of terrorism, the taking of innocent civilian lives is prohibited by Islam, and whoever has done this needs to be brought to justice, whether he is Muslim or not," Chaplain Yee said.

(The Washington File is a product of the Office of International Information Programs, U.S. Department of State. Web site: http://usinfo.state.gov)

[gg188]

I think the post was pulled, the one with the link in it. Was it pulled because of the link or some other reason? Perhaps you can post the link again. Thanks

[Howlin]

Oh, dear; pesky facts.

[bluecollarman]

Actually "Black Muslims" would be to Muslims,
what Mormons are to Southern Baptists. So they are different in that respect.

Muslims consider "Black Muslims" to be right in there with the infidels, but they will use them when and if they can.

[Kryptonite]

I actually watched that interview, but the only message initially left with me was that the dad's reaction seemed too political. The details about the specialty, the faith, and today's attack raise considerable suspicion, and serves as a reminder to myself to pay even more attention about what is really going on.

In retrospect, if I saw that video of the dad again, I bet it would look even more contrived.

[TLBSHOW]

Be aware of the Islamic cult

http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/4119

[SAMWolf]

You watch, all this PC crap will let this get off lightly, can't be seen as "religious" profiling. Right now, PC or not any Muslims in the theatre would be on the next pane Sateside bound.

[phroebe]

Holding up a photograph of his son, Michael Waters-Bey, who described himself as a "naturalized Muslim," said he wished he could speak directly to the dead Marine's commander-in-chief.

So the father describes himself as a "naturalized Muslim", but where's any direct mention of his dead Marine son's religion?

Not trying to be overly anal or picky, but...

[TLBSHOW]

As the U.S. geared up for military action in Afghanistan, Army Chaplain Capt. Abd Al-Rasheed Muhammad began questioning the permissibility of a fight against fellow Muslims.

Muhammad, the imam of Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, sent an inquiry on the matter to the North American Fiqh Council, which deals with matters of Islamic jurisprudence. In turn, according to reports published in the Arabic-language press, the matter was referred to clerics in the Arab world.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/872710/posts?page=

[Thorondir]

I reposted the link in post 1115. Have tissues ready.