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The Church and the Battle to Remove Hussein
Northern Illinois Conference - United Methodist Church ^
| 3/22/2003
| Gregg Parker
Posted on 03/21/2003 11:31:45 PM PST by meisterbrewer
After a series of anti-war articles in our church weekly that went beyond bad taste into disrespect, my wife and I made the difficult decision to leave our church. Below is my letter to the leadership. The church is the United Methodist Church of Northern Illinois. I didn't post the specific article that came out in our weekly newspaper, but suffice to say that it was riddled with anti-Bush, anti-American diatribe that rivaled the worst of the San Francisco lot. It even included ad hominem attacks against American for slavery, racism, Bush Sr., Cheney, and just about anything else the author could think of.
Pastor ???,
It is with deep regret that I must inform you that Mary and I intend to terminate our membership with the First United Methodist Church. I have grown increasingly disturbed by the political statements being made by the leadership in the FUMC over the last few months. While I respect the rights of others to protest our nation's actions against Iraq, I do not wish to belong to an organization that assumes it can speak for me, while insulting my religious and political beliefs at the same time. I am, or course, referring to the articles printed in the latest issue of the Northern Illinois Reporter.
In particular, I found the article written by ??? filled with hate-mongering insults and anti-American dribble. I believe such an article does not belong in a professional religious publication. When I read Dr. ???'s article, I thought I was reading the latest Democratic National Committee press release, not the opinions of a religious leader in my church.
I do not intend to respond in this email to the specific insults and allegations leveled by Dr. , but I will provide a few links at the bottom of this email that sum up why I believe we, as Christians, should actually be SUPPORTING military action to remove Hussein, not attacking those who are doing the "dirty work."
Independent evidence (from Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, The United Nations Human Rights Council) indicates we are encountering the same type of evil in Iraq that we suffered under in the late 1930's, when Hitler was beginning his campaign to rid the world of the Jews and anyone else that stood in his way. Many chose to ignore the threat of Hitler in the late 1930's, even going so far as to demand the disarmament of European nations while Hitler built his armies. The "enlightened" in the United States and Great Britain took the position that as long as their countries weren't directly threatened, they shouldn't confront Hitler. British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain, in an effort to achieve "peace in our time," negotiated away the Sudetenland to appease Hitler and avoid a war. Many churches argued against the confrontation of Hilter because of the potential loss of life that would come from a war. Shame on them. While its true that the Allied Forces eventually ended Hitler's reign of terror, I often wonder how many thousands, nay millions, may have been saved if we'd had the courage to enter the war earlier.
We now find ourselves in the same situation today when we look to Iraq. We know, because every human rights organization on the planet tells us so, that Hussein is committing upspeakable acts of terror against his people. How dare we stand by and allow this to go on simply because he is not commmitting them against Americans. If we ignore the plight of the innocent Iraqis who suffer under Hussein, simply because it doesn't affect us directly, what does that say about us as a people and a as a nation? If we argue for negotiations, like Chamberlain in 1938, how many more will die while we allow Hussein to continue his rule?
I am reminded of our church's recent activities during Black History month. How can we celebrate the liberation of African Americans from slavery while condemning those who would liberate an entire country from the same type of atrocities, and say it is in the name of "peace?"
I am not saying that I want our government to interfere in every country that doesn't practice our form of government. Nor do I believe we can police the world alone. But lets face it, somebody has to do it, and the United Nations has abrogated its responsibilities as a World body. How else can one explain the UN kicking the United States off the Human Rights Council while placing Moamar Khadafy of Libya in charge of the committee.
I believe we as Christians should demand our government stand up for all people in the world, wherever they live, whatever their color, whatever religion they follow. I am not suggesting we celebrate war or aggression, or even support it. As a church, we must set an example of how peaceful people behave. But we must not undermine the effort to free an oppressed people, or arrogantly assume we have the right, by virute of our religious beliefs, to insult those who do take action against tyrants.
I thank God every day that my family lives in the United States, where we enjoy the greatest riches and the most incredible freedoms that any country in the history of the World has ever offered. As a member of our country's military, I have fought for our way of life. But our country does not exist without a price. Men and women like Mary and me defend the US every day, and without our sacrifices, our country, even the free world, would not exist. I don't want a pat on the back. But I do not think it is too much to ask that my religion not insult me.
Gregg ???
Articles for your consideration:
Human Rights Watch
http://www.hrw.org/backgrounder/mena/iraq031103.htm
http://hrw.org/press/2003/03/iraq031403.htm
http://hrw.org/press/2003/03/qatar030603.htm
Amnesty International
http://web.amnesty.org/ai.nsf/Index/MDE140122001?OpenDocument&of=COUNTRIES\IRAQ
Sydney Morning Herald
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/03/22/1047749972209.html
TOPICS: News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Illinois; War on Terror
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Is anybody else encountering this kind of crap at their church?
By the way, Mary, my wife is a Navy Nurse, and I am a Navy Sub officer turned JAG officer.
To: meisterbrewer
Great letter!
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posted on
03/21/2003 11:40:27 PM PST
by
Travis McGee
(--- I don't own any "assault rifles," just Homeland Defense Rifles. It's my patriotic duty. ---)
To: meisterbrewer
First of all, I wish to thank you and your wife for your service to our country.
Second, has your former Pastor ever read 1 Timothy 2:1-2? If not, he definitely should.
The last thing the men and women on the front lines need are words of sedition coming from a church pulpit. This is a moral disgrace; sadly the Black Baptist Church isn't immune to this sort of thing either.
...I do, however, praise God that my Pastor, a Navy veteran, encourages our congregation, comprised of active duty and retired military, to pray-for the President and the troops.
-Regards, T.
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posted on
03/21/2003 11:44:46 PM PST
by
T Lady
(.Freed From the Dimocratic Shackles since 1992)
To: Travis McGee
Thanks, very frustrating situation. If I can find this guy's letter online somewhere, I'll post it to show what kind of dung he was spewing.
To: T Lady
Thank you for your words. Mary and I are going to the onbase chapel here in Great Lakes starting this Sunday.
To: meisterbrewer
The church is making a sharp left turn - I listen to ministers on shortwave now :)
Brother R.G. Stair
The Overcomer Ministry
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posted on
03/21/2003 11:48:30 PM PST
by
chance33_98
(www.hannahmore.com -- My new website, under construction)
To: meisterbrewer
Good move!
Rev 18
2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.
7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,
10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.
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posted on
03/21/2003 11:48:41 PM PST
by
Russell Scott
((Saddam, beware the Ides of March))
To: meisterbrewer
Good for you. I see alot of that out there. It's nuts. And it's time we started speaking up in our churches.
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posted on
03/21/2003 11:50:25 PM PST
by
abigail2
To: meisterbrewer
Comments from the Bishop for the Northern Illinois Congregation.
Comments
To: meisterbrewer
Thanks for your service, your letter, and your courage to leave your church. I have heard similar things about many Methodist churches. There are churches out there that do support this war, gun rights, the lives of the unborn, our president, etc. and maintain traditional conservative values and belief in the wonderful message of Jesus Christ. Unfortunately, I haven't heard of any methodist churches that fit the bill.
To: meisterbrewer
Nope. None of that at my Baptist church. We're unapologetically pro-Jesus, pro-holiness, and pro-America.
The United Methodist Church has sort of a reputation for doing this sort of thing. In my mid sized town, it's the only church that absolutely refuses to support the crisis pregnancy center (the abortion-alternative chrisitan counseling/help agency) in any way.
To: applemac_g4
My family began in the Babtist church. I think its time I returned.
To: meisterbrewer
Sadly, I think our churches are going through the same crisis which split them during the Civil War.
There is a kind of spiritual blindness a-foot that has me baffled. These proponents of pacifism believe they are following the spirit of Christ, but they have no solution for the problem of evil except passivity. They are unconscious narrcicists who are more concerned about "their" souls and/or positions being pure than about the real suffering and evil being visited upon live human beings.
I'm baffled. to say the least.
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posted on
03/21/2003 11:59:33 PM PST
by
happygrl
To: meisterbrewer
This really disturbs me. Our church has been praying for the president as long as I've been going there. They've simply added more prayers for our soldiers, and for wisdom in the days ahead. I think you were right to change. I certainly would have.
I'd be curious to see if you actually get a response.
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posted on
03/22/2003 12:02:58 AM PST
by
kimmie7
(Proud sis of a Cpt. at Ft. Dix - Proud daughter (and daughter-in-law) of WW2 vets)
To: meisterbrewer
I just had to post the original letter that precipitated this. I couldn't find it online, so I scanned and OCR'd it. Here it is. From a senior church leader in Chicago, no less.
Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., referred to the United States of America as the "greatest purveyor of violence in the world." All the broken Native American treaties and slaughters, as well as the wholesale lynching and burning of black men, women and children, bear witness to our violent history and nature. No piece of paper, whether a law on the books or a sermon from the pew, has ever stopped America from destroying, murdering, and stealing anything in its path to power.
We want to believe our President. We want to believe Dick Cheney, Condoleeza Rice and Colin Powell. But no matter how sincere George W. Bush appears to be and no matter how many times he refers to God and faith and truth and democracy, the reality makes it impossible.
We were told with all certainty by Bush and Powell and Rice that Saddam Hussein has gassed his people, We later found out that those charges were false. Prior to his "State of the Union" address, the President told us that an independent nuclear regulatory commissioned released a report showing that Iraq was close to developing a nuclear bomb. Not only was this not true, but the regulatory commission cited stated that it had never released such a report.
Don't take my word for it. All you have to do is to go to the web page for 60 Minutes or a dozen other national and international news agencies for verification. We want to trust Our leaders, but it is hard to do so when they have blatantly tied with no apology: not even a correction or retraction has been offered.
Archbishop Desmond Tutu has warned that if the United States attacks Iraq, it will exceed
the World Trade Center bombing as the most barbarous war crime of the 21 st century. He alleges that this is about oil and has nothing to do with the evils of Saddam Hussein, nor the wounded pride of the Bush family. But as a nation we (at least 47% of us) seem determined to embrace fiction over fantasy and myths of macho and bravado over the forbearance, humility, love, and patience - the values promoted by the Jesus that Bush so fervently claims to embrace - over inspections and reasoned negotiations. The disrespect that our President has shown Koft Annan is without parallel. We wonder along with Bishop Tutu if this disdain of the U.N, General Secretary would be as pointed and unapologetic if he were European rather than African. We were recently told conclusive proof exists that Saddarn Hussein has definite ties to Al Qaeda. Assuming we are not being lied to again, is this justification to plunge thousands of Iraqi and American children into the bell of modem technological warfare' ' ?
It is a known fact that former President George Herbert Walker Bush is a lobbyist for a large Saudi Arabian cartel that is dominated by the Din Laden family (many former presidents, senators, and congressmen have worked as lobbyists for foreign interests in Washington as a source of income.). Since we know that money does not grow on trees and no one is giving weapons away, Osama must be getting or has gotten some of his money from his family's interests. So should we also place the President's father under house arrest or call for an inspection of the family holdings in Texas or Kennebunkpor~ Maine?
Newsweek (Feb. 10) reported that even as White House officials scrambled to pull Colin Powell's case together about the latest so,-called intercepts of the National Security Agency, the CIA said it could not confirm the material that Pentagon officials said would be "killer points" for the Secretary of State's presentation. (And we wonder why Harry Belafonte says the things he does about Powell). Newsweek also reported that "the administration has drastically played down nuclear weapons as a threat,"
What happened to America's free press and free speech? Why are we not hearing an alternative, voice to this mad rush toward violence from anyone anywhere other than the Church? Thank God for the United Methodist bishops, laity and clergy who are standing against this administration's war madness. If we don't begin to contain the violence that emanates from the White House and the Pentagon, we will never quell the violence in our schools and in our Streets.
On the same weekend as the Columbia disaster, the Rev. Gary L. Curt was savagely beaten in his home as he fought to protect his wife, Marybeth, from the attack of an assailant. We take no pleasure in reporting that this did not occur in urban or suburban Chicago, but far north in the town of Antioch.
The violence we sanction anywhere will ultimately undo us everywhere. It is time for United Methodists to take the call to non-violence and an end to senseless wars seriously, even if we have to proclaim this to the most powerful Caesar to date in the world's history.
By DR. DOWD F. GuEsT Superintendent Chicago Southern District
The violence that we
sanction anywhere
will ultimately undo
us everywhere.
To: meisterbrewer
Who Would Jesus Bomb?
To: meisterbrewer
Can you believe the gall of this man? He even endorses Belafonte's insults against Colin Powell. Some church leader.
To: CubicleGuy
Who Would Jesus Bomb? Jesus was into "shock and awe" in a big way.
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posted on
03/22/2003 12:09:51 AM PST
by
Mr. Mojo
Comment #19 Removed by Moderator
To: meisterbrewer
I don't know why churches won't just stick to what they are commanded to do and to be.
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posted on
03/22/2003 12:14:13 AM PST
by
PFKEY
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