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Fox: US/Mexico seeking 6 terrorists with chem/radiation materials
Fox News Channel | 3/21/03 | FNC

Posted on 03/21/2003 1:11:38 PM PST by Diddle E. Squat

Carl Cameron on now.


TOPICS: Breaking News; US: Arizona; US: California; US: New Mexico; US: Texas; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bioterrorism; borderpatrol; chemicalweapons; dirtybomb; iraqi; smuggling; terrorism; terrorists; waronterror
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Why, you don't think that there are ANY conservatives in LA?

Precisely because I am in LA, I have seen it all and heard it all, I have very little patience left for either the "professional Bush-haters" or for those who allow themselves to be duped by them.
321 posted on 03/21/2003 11:11:04 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: AuH2ORepublican
Some responses:

Blaming Mexico for what Pancho Villa did 90 years ago

Villa is still regarded in Mexico as a hero for the Columbus raid and, in general, "standing up to the gringos". Since his activities are regarded in Mexico as being integral to the Mexican Revolution of 1910-1921, along with Emiliano Zapata, he does stand for the "spirit" and attitude of Mexicans to this day. There is now a statue of him in my hometown of Tucson, a statue given to the city by the Mexican government as a sort of slap in the face which the pathetic Tucson city council simply took. Would the citizens of Paris accept a statue of an SS general given by the German government as a gesture of "friendship"? The man murdered Americans and burned an American town because Wilson sided with Carranza. That would endear him to Americans because....What? And yet this guy is regarded in Mexico and by Mexicans here as a symbol of their country. So that's why I mention him.

Why mention the Zimmerman letter? Mexico, as far as I know, never even saw it. It was intercepted by British intelligence, and disclosed to Wilson. The point is, at the time, no one, even Wilson, had a hard time believing they might take the Germans up on the offer ("That it means to stir up enemies against us at our very doors the intercepted [Zimmermann] note to the German Minister at Mexico City is eloquent evidence" - from Wilson's address to Congress). The loss of Alta California, Tejas, and Nueva Mexico was still very much on their minds. To give you an idea of attitudes at the time (1915), read this little excerpt from the Handbook of Texas Online: The Plan of San Diego (1915) . Note the charming line about what was to be done to all white males over 16. Read the whole thing. In many ways, antagonism towards Mexicans and Mexico in the Southwest for the past 80 years traces to these events.

Gosh, that wasn't my recollection at all. When did Fox tell us to "pound sand"?

You must not have been paying attention. Perhaps Fox didn't explicitly tell us to pound sand, but the Mexican people (and Mexican Congress) did. Here was Gregory Rodriguez' article on it, published in the Los Angeles Times in October of 2001: Mexico, Fair-Weather Friend . You know, Greg's never been the same again. For the first time in his life, he realized that Mexico had no intention of being a First World nation, that they really were just buddying up to the U.S. for the extra cookies it represented. Quite a letdown for him.

"Mexico fought with the Allies" - Well, if you count Esquadron 201 as a big deal (300 whole men...). The first - and only - time that Mexicans have fought on foreign soil. Read about the WWII Mexican war effort: WWII Comes to Mexico . Mexico's help during WWII was really about the Bracero's and oil in Vera Cruz. The effect of the Bracero program is the mass immigration of Mexicans seen today. The oil is probably the reason that mass "immigration" is still tolerated. Among other sordid reasons.

As for your statements regarding their silly claims of the Southwest (which you know as well as I are nothing but empty words)

The "silly claims" are coming true by virtue of demographic reality. They know it (do a web search on the name "David Hayes-Bautista") and see it as a point of pride - they managed to get into the U.S. and then managed to outbreed the gringos (that would be us). If you're the majority, you make the rules (Constitution? You mean the Mexican Constitution, Senor?). California is going to be ethnically Mexican in 20 years (they are now 50% of births here). What's so empty about that claim?

But is it really necessary to badmouth Mexico's government and people as well?

Mexico's government? Ever been there? I grew up next to the joint. Spoke Spanish before I was 15. Learned it from a teacher who was born in Hermosillo. My cousins are Mexican ("Gueros", or whites, their father of Spaniard descent). One thing I learned before I was 20: The Mexican government is really an organized criminal enterprise, available to the highest bidder. The police? Roving gangs, competing with each other and the Federal Judicial Police to see who can commit the most depraved acts. Ever seen the movie Traffic? I thought it went a little light. The stories I heard were far worse than those depicted (think Enrique Camarena). That's a major reason to badmouth the Mexican "government".

Mexico needs about another two centuries to develop some semblance of civil society. It might never happen. When you go from 35 million people in 1960 to 100 million people in 2000, it's hard to catch up. Especially if you had a bad society to start with. But hey, if you have a bunch of saps next door that you can exploit...

Mexico is not a "friendly country". It is a country which has to put up with us, so they figure they might as well get something out of the deal. But hey, if they can send their foot soldiers north, and get the welfare system to pay for more "Mexicans Abroad" as Fox puts it, maybe they can get more out of the deal then they thought. Right now, it looks like that's the case.

Maybe we are closer in thought if you'd like to see the Guard on the border. This much I can tell you: even now, it won't happen. But that's a whole other discussion...

My family have been Arizona Republicans since the 1940's, and Republicans in general since the 1850's. We knew the Goldwater's but only as acquaintances. My sister was a Goldwater girl from Arizona at the '64 convention (no, she didn't meet Hillary). It's nice to see someone with your handle. No matter what people say about Barry, we always thought he represented the best of Arizona. Hell, back then, we had Democrats like Morris Udall, who was actually an upstanding guy (boy, the flame gonna start now...). Now we have pygmys (well, Jon Kyl seems to be reputable). I don't give a damn how ditsy Goldwater became in his old age. There wouldn't be a goddamn modern conservative movement without him.

322 posted on 03/21/2003 11:13:30 PM PST by Regulator (Sorry, I still feel the same way. Mexico is the virus that will kill America)
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To: FairOpinion
Precisely because I am in LA, I have seen it all and heard it all, I have very little patience left for either the "professional Bush-haters" or for those who allow themselves to be duped by them. 321 posted on 03/21/2003 11:11 PM PST by FairOpinion [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 320 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]

Huh?

LOL!

323 posted on 03/21/2003 11:15:39 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: STARWISE
Hey retard, if you had any reading comprehension you would have notcied the "one year" from now bit. How's about you respond to Bush's negligence instead of meandering off and trying to lob personal insults.
324 posted on 03/21/2003 11:20:34 PM PST by KantianBurke (The Federal govt should be protecting us from terrorists, not handing out goodies)
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To: FairOpinion; Joe Hadenuf
Right on, FairOpinion!! Say Joe ..there is a time and a place for these things. When our brave President has wrestled with the world bureaucracy, world opinion, and his conscience after consulting with the experienced and skilled team he assembled AND our brave, selfless and patriotric troops are shedding blood on foreign soil for YOUR and my safety and freedom, a thoughtful and rational American might this night be somber, prayerful and RESPECTFUL of that man and this moment, and not be a brickthrower.

Why don't you run for office, and see how well you do with your issue?

325 posted on 03/21/2003 11:27:28 PM PST by STARWISE (Prayers for W and his family and our brave troops, fighting this moment for our safety + freedom)
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To: KantianBurke
Now .. you're paranoid and hostile too? I asked a simple question. My heart and prayers are with our brave military .. I wondered if you were one.
326 posted on 03/21/2003 11:31:29 PM PST by STARWISE (Prayers for W and his family and our brave troops, fighting this moment for our safety + freedom)
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To: STARWISE
Say Joe ..there is a time and a place for these things. When our brave President has wrestled with the world bureaucracy, yap yap......

Say man, your right, well just have to wait. After all, this titanic lawlessness just started 25 years ago...They need to get up to speed, huh?

327 posted on 03/21/2003 11:31:33 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: STARWISE
:< My apologies. Half of the posts thrown my way on this thread have been personal flames so I've been expecting the worst. I'm very sorry sir/ma'am.

To answer your question, I'm not though in less than a year I plan on attending basic training. The time delay is due to needing to get some muscle, lease and debt and other such things. Once again my apologizes for jumping the gun and responding as I did.

328 posted on 03/21/2003 11:38:49 PM PST by KantianBurke (The Federal govt should be protecting us from terrorists, not handing out goodies)
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To: dfwgator

If 9/11 didn't do it, what do you think it will take?

329 posted on 03/21/2003 11:54:09 PM PST by Jhoffa_ (Yes, there is sexual tension between Sammy & Frodo.)
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To: Diddle E. Squat
PS: You know, if something bad comes across our border and allot of Americans get hurt or killed as a result.. Washington will be partially responsible.

They don't care about the borders and, in fact keep floating amnesty trial balloons. They want poindexter to create a super-database and turn your furnace repairman into a federal spy, but they want no part of actually securing our border.

330 posted on 03/21/2003 11:59:09 PM PST by Jhoffa_ (Yes, there is sexual tension between Sammy & Frodo.)
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To: KantianBurke
I agreed with you.

If something bad comes from this, the terrorists won't be the only ones with dirty hands.

There's an intentional blind spot regarding our physical security here.

331 posted on 03/22/2003 12:01:38 AM PST by Jhoffa_ (Yes, there is sexual tension between Sammy & Frodo.)
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To: HairOfTheDog
This president has allowed our borders to be made irrelevant against the will of the people and the constitution and our laws. Because of that we have corpses littering the desert out here. We have murdered border patrol agents and mexican military units coming across the border and shooting at us. Drug and people smuggling is out of control.

Not only is the president to blame but so are all the idiots who think they are above the law and who have turned a blind eye to the murders and crime and the growing lawlessness on the border.

How many goddamn times do we have to speak out on this problem!?!

332 posted on 03/22/2003 12:30:42 AM PST by PuNcH
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To: Ramius
The US has over 20,000 miles of borders. Where do you want to start? What do you think, maybe a soldier every ten feet? would that be good enough? I just love it when the "seal the borders" know-it-alls show up. Gosh! Seal the borders! It was so simple!

What a load of BS. The problem with illegal immigration has grown as we have stopped enforcing the laws and started granting amnesties.

We cant have total security at our airports but we can increase the security. Same basic common sense applies to the border.

Right now we have zero control over what is coming over our borders because we have almost completely stopped enforcing the laws.

333 posted on 03/22/2003 12:46:18 AM PST by PuNcH
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To: Born in a Rage
>>Maybe you'd like to run for POTUS and propose building a 50 foot barbed-wire steel wall around America. You know what the problem is with that? It wouldn't just keep people out but it would lock people in.<<

Actually I was thinking full-time high voltage electric with a chemical stew moat on either side.

Keeping people in? From going to Mexico or Canada? I didn't realize we had such an emmigration problem going on en masse (certainly would be nice if they would head home for good.)

Maybe it is hard for me to imagine having never been locked in before but I really don't see it being an issue. Certainly it COULD happen; we could end up like Cuba or the late East Germany. However if we were so far down the path that they were now successfully locking us in- well seems to me we would already be totally disarmed, fully screwed, all lined up for the slaughter.
334 posted on 03/22/2003 1:21:51 AM PST by kancel
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To: HairOfTheDog
>>I don't think it helps them for you to sit in your comfy chair and throw stones at the president. <<

I'd be out with my shotgun securing the border if the phrases "murder one" and "civil suit" were taken out of the equation. Seems the last time civilians tried to do this job themselves they ended up in jail for all their efforts. Nice thank you isnt that?
335 posted on 03/22/2003 1:32:40 AM PST by kancel
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To: Jhoffa_
Good posts. Although a Bush supporter, I agree with you.
336 posted on 03/22/2003 1:53:51 AM PST by Dec31,1999 (It's high time to secure the boarders and deport ALL illegals.)
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To: Born in a Rage
Maybe you'd like to run for POTUS and propose building a 50 foot barbed-wire steel wall around America. You know what the problem is with that? It wouldn't just keep people out but it would lock people in.

Not at all. Keeping people out is not at all like keeping people in. Care to explain?

337 posted on 03/22/2003 1:57:28 AM PST by Dec31,1999 (It's high time to secure the boarders and deport ALL illegals.)
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To: sandyeggo; All
In the year 2001 there were hundreds of thousands of airline flights. So what? Should we go back to little or no security for the airlines?

I vote to get the borders under control.

338 posted on 03/22/2003 2:15:39 AM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: Diddle E. Squat
We talked about this here, last month...
Saddam knew that war was a certainty, and has been sending his agents here for over a month.
340 posted on 03/22/2003 8:29:39 AM PST by Future Useless Eater (Freedom_Loving_Engineer)
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