Unpatriotic Conservatives: A war against America.

National Review ^ | April 7, 2003 | David Frum

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There is, however, a fringe attached to the conservative world that cannot overcome its despair and alienation. The resentments are too intense, the bitterness too unappeasable. Only the boldest of them as yet explicitly acknowledge their wish to see the United States defeated in the War on Terror. But they are thinking about defeat, and wishing for it, and they will take pleasure in it if it should happen.

They began by hating the neoconservatives. They came to hate their party and this president. They have finished by hating their country.

A disgusting rabble of bottom-feeding troglodytes wallowing in the fetid fever swamps of paleo-conservatism.

[MEG33]

This has been posted but it is a must read.

[RAT Patrol]

Oh brother. I agree with this guy on the war but this rant is ridiculous.

[Protagoras]

Duplicate thread

[jjm2111]

Is he paid by the word?

[The Irishman]

They aspire to reinvent conservative ideology: to junk the 50-year-old conservative commitment to defend American interests and values throughout the world — the commitment that inspired the founding of this magazine.

Long on rhetoric but short on facts. As a reader of National Review starting in the mid-50s I can report that NR was not an advocate of "conservative ideology" then, though it is now an advocate of neocon ideology.

Any similarity in the two is strictly coincidental. Conservatism, as opposed to liberalism, libertarianism, neoconism, was and is non-ideological.

[Destro]

Erin Go Brah!! Neoconservatives are neither true of word or of spirit.

[Longshanks]

David Frum should be renamed David Froth after this rabid hit piece but it is comforting that he felt constrained to mentioning "anti-Semitism" only once and then quoting somebody else. Apparently that oft-played card is losing potency. He puts to rest any lingering doubt over whether the neos are genuinely conservative.

Paleoconservatives are almost alone in raising concerns about the REAL demographic threat posed by Islam. The suicidal immigration policies and the native population implosion of Europe has slated that continent to a Muslim majority in only a few short decades. We see abortion killing not just individuals but entire civilizations. Call it self-genocide.

This Christian viewpoint is dismissed as racist by the liberal/neoconservative establishment. Instead of addressing the real problem, our secularist leaders launch a war to "free" the people of Iraq. After Afghanistan, this is second in an apparently planned series of wars to "free" the entire Middle East.

What secularists really plan is a hair-brained scheme to impose a liberalized "peaceful" Islam. Perhaps demographic concerns will be handled by encouraging widespread abortion for Muslims as in Christian societies.

The Christian/Palioconservative alternative is to stop killing our future generations with abortion and end Islamic immigration. What's wrong with that?

[Longshanks]

But even Robert Taft and Charles Lindbergh ceased accommodating Axis aggression after Pearl Harbor.

Buchanan has rightly called for supporting President Bush and the troops until this war is over. After that, debate on republic vs. empire will resume. There is nothing unpatriotic about that.

[gcruse]

Heh, that's an excerpt? Who ya kiddin'. Post the articles and be done with it.

[Regulator]

Absolutely right. When the Neocon Trotskyites have finished with the "wars of liberation", then what? Open immigration to the Christian West until it's ethnically and religiously extinguished?

But there will be one country where Muslim immivasion will not be permitted. Too bad anyone in our country calling for the same policies will be labeled racist by the Frums, Kristols, and Wolfowitz' of the world.

[Wallace T.]

I have agreed with the paleo-conservative and libertarian criticisms of neo-conservatism as essentially statist at home and empire-building abroad. We need to protect our national borders from unrestricted immigration and return the Federal government to the strict limits imposed by the Constitution and desired by the Founding Fathers. Frankly, the neo-conservatives are liberals of the New Deal and Great Society stripe that did not shift further to the left in the 1970s, as did much of academia, the mainstream news media, the entertainment industry, and the Democratic Party. Paleo-conservatives and libertarians are correct in their calling the two mainstream parties the Republicrats.

Despite my agreement with the paleo-conservatives and the libertarians, I am compelled to support the war with Iraq. America is not a seperate planet from the rest of the world. There is a convergence of old and new foes - radical Islam, the Peoples Republic of China (a superpower wannabe), North Korea, and Communist elements everywhere from the Kremlin (President Putin is ex-KGB and is reintroducing the outward trappings of the old USSR on the Russian military and government) to Latin America (where Venesuela and Brazil are ruled by Marxist presidents). Old allies like France, Germany, and Canada are defecting from decades-old alliances with the U.S. In the Middle East, even old friends like Turkey and Saudi Arabia are balking at continued friendship with the United States and Britain.

In the dozen years since the Gulf War, the friends of the United States have shrunk to the Anglosphere (except Canada), Israel, the Latin nations of Europe (except France), Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, and most of Eastern Europe. If Iraq is not defeated, terrorism against America will be encouraged, the Persian Gulf nations will choose China, Russia, Germany, and France as trading partners, with the Euro replacing the dollar as the main international currency, and nations like North Korea may be emboldened. If Columbia and Mexico shift leftward, American energy supplies will be further jeopardized. Our economy will be beset by high energy costs and spin into a severe recession. Such a recession may push our domestic politics far to the left, under a President Hillary Clinton or someone like her.

As much as I dislike the status quo, the alternative of a world dominated by Communists, radical Muslims, and European socialists, with a no longer free United States becoming a vassal state in some global governance arrangement is far worse. America still has a great deal of personal freedom and economic well being compared to the rest of the world. She is still worth fighting for.

I must part from the Buchanans, the Rockwells, the Sobrans, and the Raimundos regarding the Iraqi war.

[Destro]

Is not David Frum a Canadian and not an American citizen?

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But there will be one country where Muslim immivasion will not be permitted. Too bad anyone in our country calling for the same policies will be labeled racist by the Frums, Kristols, and Wolfowitz' of the world.

THIS MAKES LITTLE SENSE.

WHEN HAVE WOLFOWITZ, KRISTOL, AND FRUM SAID THAT THEY ARE OPPOSED TO LIMITING IMMIGRATION INTO THE US?

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Destro wrote: Is not David Frum a Canadian and not an American citizen?

If Frum hasn't already been naturalized as an American citizen he soon will be.

[Destro]

Like the Marxits who inspired the neoconservative this none-American views treason not in a nationalist sense but treason against the party international.

Canadians have no right to decide who is a traitor or not but then again neo-cons do not believe in borders or national sovreignty.

[Longshanks]

Is not David Frum a Canadian and not an American citizen?

For the lowdown on Frum see: http://www.amconmag.com/03_24_03/review.html

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Destro wrote: Like the Marxits who inspired the neoconservative this none-American views treason not in a nationalist sense but treason against the party international. … (N)eo-cons do not believe in borders or national sovreignty.

What utter bilge!

[Longshanks]

The National Review should change its name to The International Review.

[Regulator]

WHEN HAVE WOLFOWITZ, KRISTOL, AND FRUM SAID THAT THEY ARE OPPOSED TO LIMITING IMMIGRATION INTO THE US?

Precisely.