Libertarians Join Liberals in Challenging Sodomy Law

NYTimes ^ | March 19, 2003 | LINDA GREENHOUSE

[Aquinasfan]

That's your opinion, not the opinion of the Supreme Court.

Besides the fact that they're the Supreme Court, who cares what they think?

Furthermore, I would suggest to you that many Christians consider cunnilingus between married people "unnatural."

I'm sure they do. I can see why they would feel that way.

Therefore, your opinion that cunnilingus is not unnatural under certain conditions differ from the Christian position through centuries.

You may be right and I may be wrong on that count. I just don't see a decisive reason from a natural law perspective. If the act is ordered toward culmination in intercourse, then I think the act would be morally acceptable. If the act is ordered toward replacing intercourse, then the act would be immoral.

[ThinkDifferent]

They want the same thing for dope

As you know full well, most libertarians simply want the unconstitutional federal drug laws repealed, so the states can decide their own laws.

[Roscoe]

The ancestors of liberals and Libertarians.

[Protagoras]

Which of the ten commandments do you advocate be legislated?

Your soulmate refuses to answer, care to take a shot at it?

[headsonpikes]

"I wonder what the ratio...?"

See, you'd be perfect for the Sniffing Agency's Statistics Department!

[HumanaeVitae]

Excellent. There is no better analog to what we're talking about than the French Revolution. Perhaps the moral breakdown of Weimar Germany. BTW, Ernst Rohm(SIC?), the leader of Hitler's Brownshirts--his muscle on his rise to power--was a out and practicing homosexual, like many of Hitler's inner circle at that point.

[HumanaeVitae]

I don't know...thou shalt not murder? What's the point of this. If you're trying to get me to admit that I want a theocracy...I don't.

[AxelPaulsenJr]

Well, this news just sucks.

[Dataman]

Are you insinuating something personal about someone you don't know? I trust your implication was meant as a general remark or else I will have to taunt you.

Of course it was a general remark. I don't know you from

[Roscoe]

most libertarians simply want the unconstitutional federal drug laws repealed

Source?

The LP platform make no such distinction:

"We call for the repeal of all laws establishing criminal or civil penalties for the use of drugs..."

[Protagoras]

But you can send a message as to society's disapproval of homosexual behavior by keeping a law like this on the books.

Lets not forget hetrosexual behavior. You seem stuck on the homosexual aspect. Bizzare.

I don't the government snooping on me either.

If you haven't had oral sex with your wife or girlfriend you have nothing to fear. LOL

[The FRugitive]

As a Christian I beleive homosexuality to be a sin, but it's no concern of the gov't.

[george wythe]

I tend to think that abortion is not a good analogy

Men cannot become pregnant, therefore we could prohibit abortions without discriminating against women or men, but you made me think about future possibilities.

In the future, some San Francisco doctor might find a sick way to impregnate men and make men pregnant through artificial means. If men become pregnant, abortion of an 8-month baby should be illegal.

Whether a pregnant woman or a pregnant man, the issue is the life of an 8-month baby.

At present, a woman can perform cunnilingus.

A man can perform cunnilingus.

Cunnilingus is not necessary for procreation.

You might have the heart on the right place, (trying to curtail immoral behavior), but your head should tell you that it is difficult to convince the Supreme Court to accept this Texas law.

I hope to see you on another thread agreeing 100%

[Hacksaw]

Strawman.

Nope.

Many states have done away with this nonsense legislatively. I saw one poster opine that it would be overturned, I have seen no one speak in favor of it being overturned. If I missed one, please cite the posts.

You must have missed the title of the thread then. Are you saying that the people on this thread who are in agreement with the Cato Institute are NOT advocating that the SC overturn it

I noticed you didn't answer this part.

Because it was non relevant. Will you come out and say then, that you hope the SC does NOT overturn the law?

[headsonpikes]

After the Iraq War, Homeland Security types can start getting their "Rectum? Hell, dang near killed him!" coffee mugs, even before they pick up their new uniforms.

[Hacksaw]

Which of the ten commandments do you advocate be legislated?

How about laws against murder and slander (false witness)? What is your point?

[Protagoras]

What's the point of this.

Your entire focus has been that the government is justified in passing these laws because the behavior they punish is immoral. Why do you pick and choose?

Jail time for premarital sex? Jail time for oral sex among the married?

Which ones do you choose?

[The FRugitive]

We have lost the idea that a country exists to enhance the good of the whole, not to guarantee the most radical vision of freedom to everyone.

The essence of socialist philosophy.

[steve-b]

One cigarette never killed anyone.

Nope -- plenty of people died in fires started by one cigarette. Back to Square One for you!