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U.N. military action against Britain, U.S.?
WorldNetDaily ^ | March 15, 2003 | Art Moore

Posted on 03/14/2003 11:14:12 PM PST by FairOpinion

Americans urge invoking obscure convention to halt 'aggression'

Could the U.N. use military force to prevent the United States and Britain from waging war on Iraq without a Security Council mandate?

Some anti-war groups are urging the world body to invoke a little-known convention that allows the General Assembly to step in when the Security Council is at an impasse in the face of a "threat to the peace, breach of the peace or act of aggression."

The willingness by the U.S. and Britain to go to war with Iraq without Security Council authorization is the kind of threat the U.N. had in mind when it passed Resolution 377 in 1950, said Michael Ratner, president of the Center for Constitutional Rights, a human-rights group in New York City.

In a position paper, Ratner wrote that by invoking the resolution, called "Uniting for Peace," the "General Assembly can meet within 24 hours to consider such a matter, and can recommend collective measures to U.N. members including the use of armed forces to 'maintain or restore international peace and security.'"

The U.N. taking military action against the U.S.?

"It would be very difficult to say what that means," said Ratner in an interview with WorldNetDaily, emphasizing that he did not believe the situation would evolve to that "extreme."

"I don't consider that within the framework I'm talking about," he said.

Shonna Carter, a publicist for Ratner's group, said she believed it would be legitimate for the U.N. to use military force to stop "U.S. aggression."

"But I doubt it would happen," she said. "I don't think that as part of Uniting for Peace they would include military action, but that would have to be something those countries agreed on. …"

Steve Sawyer, spokesman for Greenpeace in New Zealand – which has joined Ratner's group in the campaign – told WND he was not aware of the U.N. being able to use force under any circumstances.

Ratner explained that Resolution 377 would enable the General Assembly to declare that the U.S. cannot take military action against Iraq without the explicit authority of the Security Council. The assembly also could mandate that the inspection regime be allowed to "complete its work."

"It seems unlikely that the United States and Britain would ignore such a measure," Ratner said in his paper. "A vote by the majority of countries in the world, particularly if it were almost unanimous, would make the unilateral rush to war more difficult."

Uniting for Peace can be invoked either by seven members of the Security Council or by a majority of the members of the General Assembly, he said.

'Ways to make U.N. more important'

Ratner, who also teaches at the Columbia University Law School, told WND that the idea of invoking the resolution "came up when I started thinking about the fact that we could get into a situation where the U.S. may go to war without a Security Council resolution or with a veto."

He had two of his students at the law school research the resolution and now has sent out the word to every U.N. mission in New York.

In addition, about 12 missions a day are being visited by campaigners, he said, and the response has been generally very positive.

He expects there to be support from the 116 countries in the non-aligned movement, who are "already saying inspectors should be given more time."

Greenpeace's involvement has greatly expanded the campaign's reach, he said, since "we're just a small human-rights litigation organization."

"I've done a lot of work with international law and with the U.N.," he said, "and we're always interested in figuring out ways to make the U.N. more important."

Sedition?

A circular e-mail letter promoting the campaign said in the first paragraph that "if Iraq is invaded, it would empower the General Assembly to restore peace, including an authorization to use military action to accomplish this, if necessary."

The letter includes Ratner's name and e-mail address as a contact, but he says he did not send out that particular version, which included the line about the U.N. using military action.

A political science professor at the University of Michigan who forwarded the letter to colleagues, added a note above the text, obtained by WND, that said: "Below you will find an excellent and urgently needed proposal for stopping the war before it starts from the Center for Constitutional Rights. …"

"Please make this major peace action a high priority and forward this message to others," said Susan Wright, who indicated she is with the university's Institute for Research on Women and Gender.

Is Wright essentially urging foreign countries to be willing to take military action against her own country?

"I wouldn't say it's necessarily sedition," said Ratner. "Advocacy is one thing, having the means to carry it out is another. It's not something I would ever recommend."


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: antiwar; ratner; sedition; unitednations
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The "peacenicks" don't want the UN to attack Iraq, but they want the UN to attack the US to protect Saddam.

And they call themselves anti-war? They are showing their true colors, they are anti-US, anti-freedom, anti-Democracy, not anti-war.

Next they will write and ask Russia and China to attack us.

1 posted on 03/14/2003 11:14:12 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion
Hey Greenpeace go suck on a seal tit or something, this is way out of youre league.
2 posted on 03/14/2003 11:17:54 PM PST by mrsalty
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To: FairOpinion
The U.N. taking military action against the U.S.?

"It would be very difficult to say what that means," said Ratner in an interview with WorldNetDaily, emphasizing that he did not believe the situation would evolve to that "extreme."


Cool. Then we could occupy the UN building as enemy territory....
3 posted on 03/14/2003 11:19:43 PM PST by Kozak
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To: FairOpinion
Could the U.N. use military force to prevent the United States and Britain from waging war on Iraq without a Security Council mandate?

Don't I wish. Bring it on.

4 posted on 03/14/2003 11:20:00 PM PST by briant
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To: FairOpinion
If they ganged up to keep their own damn resolutions we wouldn't be in this mess!
5 posted on 03/14/2003 11:20:45 PM PST by ALS
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To: FairOpinion
Americans urge invoking obscure convention to halt 'aggression'

Well that would be treason during a period of hostility.

NOw how would ole George Washington have handled that?

Well, it was his fervent wish to "hang that bastard Arnold".

6 posted on 03/14/2003 11:22:12 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: FairOpinion
Could the U.N. use military force to prevent the United States and Britain from waging war on Iraq without a Security Council mandate?

Snicker.... I'm going to crack open something alcoholic and clean my weapons. And that's all I have to say about this matter.

7 posted on 03/14/2003 11:22:35 PM PST by tortoise
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To: ALS
The U.N. taking military action against the U.S.?

One could only hope. It would be a wide open hunting season with no bag limit.
8 posted on 03/14/2003 11:24:44 PM PST by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: tortoise
I agree, going to bed on that one
9 posted on 03/14/2003 11:25:26 PM PST by mrsalty
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To: briant
They probably would demand that the USA and Brits fly in the UN troops. The French, of course,will lead the battle from the rear, for obvious reasons.
10 posted on 03/14/2003 11:25:48 PM PST by bybybill (first the public employees, next the fish and, finally, the children)
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To: FairOpinion
Remember that we control neither the Suez nor the Panama canal.
11 posted on 03/14/2003 11:26:33 PM PST by SevenDaysInMay
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Hey! I'm willing to let the UN turn against us. Sure, they can pass a RESOLUTION or perhaps, invoke SANCTIONS! LOL! This has me trembling.
12 posted on 03/14/2003 11:28:08 PM PST by Jemian (Ignorance is Blix)
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To: FairOpinion
Where were all of these people when Bill Clinton was dropping bombs? Where were they?
13 posted on 03/14/2003 11:28:17 PM PST by zeaal
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To: briant
Could the U.N. use military force to prevent the United States and Britain from waging war on Iraq without a Security Council mandate?

Would that mean we could seize the UN and expel or make war prisoners of all of those diplomats who rack up parking tickets left and right in New York City? Not even the UN General Assembly would be that stupid. Who's gonna lead the military campaign against us? France? Uganda? Tanzania? Boliva? Mongolia? I am scared, I really am. /sarcasm Stupid Hippies.

14 posted on 03/14/2003 11:28:18 PM PST by GAGOPSWEEPTOVICTORY
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Let the inspectors have more time.

More time to play with their children, their families and their communities.

What they won't get is more time, with the backing or 250,000 troops and allied equipment, making them even possible.

It appears that the world communist regime based in the UN needs to be nuked out of NY state in double time. And all of its American and global supporters need to be shown the border - they can leave but no more can ever come in.
15 posted on 03/14/2003 11:28:21 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (Why do business with gerdung firms?)
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The "peacenicks" don't want the UN to attack Iraq, but they want the UN to attack the US to protect Saddam.

Yep, total hypocrites. But what would you expect from such simpering fools.

My next question would be...who has the cajones to try?

16 posted on 03/14/2003 11:28:35 PM PST by tiki
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To: SevenDaysInMay
That could be remedied in a few hours.
17 posted on 03/14/2003 11:29:34 PM PST by tiki
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To: FairOpinion
Is Wright essentially urging foreign countries to be willing to take military action against her own country?

"I wouldn't say it's necessarily sedition," said Ratner. "Advocacy is one thing, having the means to carry it out is another."

If anything would cause the US to withdraw from the UN, this would.

18 posted on 03/14/2003 11:30:31 PM PST by Post Toasties
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To: FairOpinion
Oh yeah, the great UN air-force without us would be helium balloons and a hand cranked propeller for propulsion!

Scary!
19 posted on 03/14/2003 11:31:10 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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The US would not cooperate with the UN, but they would never leave them since USA can sit there all day and execute their veto power.

We need to be there to veto BS against both us and Isreal.
20 posted on 03/14/2003 11:33:02 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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