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DOES THIS SEEM FAIR TO YOU??
Rush Limbaugh | 3-14-03 | Rush Limbaugh

Posted on 03/14/2003 4:36:33 AM PST by gonzo

By Rush Limbaugh

I think the vast differences in compensation between the victims of the September 11th casualty, and those who die serving the country in uniform, are profound. No one is really talking about it either because you just don't criticize anything having to do with September 11th.

Well, I just can't let the numbers pass by because it says something really disturbing about the entitlement mentality of this country.

If you lost a family member in the September 11th attack, you're going to get an average of $1,185,000. The range is a minimum guarantee of $250,000, all the way up to $4.7 million.

If you are a surviving family member of an American soldier killed in action, the first check you get is a $6,000 direct death benefit, half of which is taxable. Next, you get $1,750 for burial costs. If you are the surviving spouse, you get $833 a month until you remarry. And there's a payment of $211 per month for each child under 18. When the child hits 18, those payments come to a screeching halt.

Keep in mind that some of the people that are getting an average of $1.185 million up to $4.7 million are complaining that it's not enough.

We also learned over the weekend that some of the victims from the Oklahoma City bombing have started an organization asking for the same deal that the September 11th families are getting. In addition to that, some of the families of those bombed in the embassies are now asking for compensation as well.

You see where this is going, don't you?

Folks, this is part and parcel of over fifty years of entitlement politics in this country. It's just really sad.

Every time when a pay raise comes up for the military they usually receive next to nothing of a raise. Now the green machine is in combat in the Middle East while their families have to survive on food stamps and live in low rent housing.

However our own U.S. Congress just voted themselves a raise, and many of you don't know that they only have to be in Congress one-time to receive a pension that is more than $15,000 per month and most are now equal to be millionaires plus. They also do not receive Social Security on retirement because they didn't have to pay into the system. If some of the military people stay in for 20 years and get out as an E-7 you may receive a pension of $1,000 per month, and the very people who placed you in harms way receive a pension of $15,000 per month.

I would like to see our elected officials pick up a weapon and join ranks before they start cutting out benefits and lowering pay for our sons and daughters who are now fighting! .

"When do we finally do something about this ??"

If this doesn't seem fair to you, it is time to forward this to as many people as you can.


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This was posted by a friend of mine, a Viet Nam Veteran like Jim Robinson, and I'm pissed that it got pulled before!

This was published in the Anerican Legion Magazine, and all veterans should take heed.............FRegards

1 posted on 03/14/2003 4:36:33 AM PST by gonzo
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To: gonzo
Calm down. Every single person in the United States Military has volunteered for active service in the branch of their choice. They signed on the dotted line knowing full well the consequences of that action...that their life may be one day put in jeopardy.

The people murdered on September 11, 2001 made no such choice.
I'm not saying it's fair, but THAT is the one major distinction between the two groups of people.

2 posted on 03/14/2003 4:40:13 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (®)
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To: rambo007; Jim Robinson; TommyJoe; MinuteGal; Matchett-PI; oldglory; Seeking the truth
Just a follow-up, folks.............FRegards
3 posted on 03/14/2003 4:41:55 AM PST by gonzo (I wonder how much I can get away with, and still get to Heaven?)
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To: gonzo
why would this have been pulled? I posted something the other day regarding peace organizations as actually benefitting from war by being able to collect donations and usually falling up under tax exempt status. It was pulled because of "promoting Jonesy's mother's website...(note I did not post a link for fear of my comments being pulled).

I think i'll post it again without a website reference.
4 posted on 03/14/2003 4:44:57 AM PST by grumple
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
By that standard....I drive down the road everyday and have purchased my own life insurance policy...
5 posted on 03/14/2003 4:46:44 AM PST by grumple
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To: gonzo
and many of you don't know that they only have to be in Congress one-time to receive a pension that is more than $15,000 per month

I think this is overstating it, even though it's still very high. The National Taxpayers Union estimates a guy like Bonior will get around $95k/year. A chunk of change, to be sure, but about half of what Rush says it is, and that's for a long-term member.

Does anyone have the formula for calculating congressional pensions?

6 posted on 03/14/2003 4:55:39 AM PST by Mr. Bird
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To: gonzo
Iraq WILL "volunteer" enough oil to give all the GIs a big bonus and pay for everything else from 9/11 on. That's WILL.
7 posted on 03/14/2003 4:57:19 AM PST by Waco
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To: gonzo
Within days after 9/11 I began warning people that the incident would degenerate into a disgraceful episode of greed and a self-righteous sense of entitlement that we might very well wish the entire city of New York was destroyed that day.

In a story released a few weeks ago it was revealed that 90% of the people who applied for grants through a fund that was established to help business owners and people living in lower Manhattan had filed fraudulent claims.

8 posted on 03/14/2003 5:05:21 AM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: Waco
Geez, good to see ya, bud! I'm gonna get some shut-eye now!

The rule-of-Florida is: "If you move here, they will find you"!

Took the last one to the airport yesterday............FRegards

9 posted on 03/14/2003 5:12:05 AM PST by gonzo (I wonder how much I can get away with, and still get to Heaven?)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
".... but THAT is the one major distinction between the two groups of people."

No, THE major distiction between the two groups is that one is military serving their country and the other is civilians serving themselves. You don't get it do you?

10 posted on 03/14/2003 5:16:41 AM PST by Buffalo Head
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To: gonzo
Rush's accuracy statistics are going to take a beating on this one. In the first place $15,000 per month is $180,000 per year and is 20% higher than the current salary of $150,000 for the average congresscritter. In the second place the size of congressional pensions is determined by a number of factors. The primary factors are length of service, but also when they joined Congress, their age at retirement, their salary, and the pension option they chose when they enrolled. They have two options. They can participate in the older Civil Service Retirement System or the newer Federal Employees' Retirement System (FERS). Their pensions are funded through a combination of general tax provisions and contributions from the participants. Right now, members of Congress in the FERS plan must pay 1.3% of their salary to FERS and 6.2% in Social Security taxes. So since they contribute to their retirement plan then theoretically they are entitled to at least their money back if they serve only a single term, but not any kind of massive pension. Finally, federal law caps congressional pensions to 80% of the salary when they were in congress. As of 1998, the average annuity for retired members of Congress was $50,616 for those who retired under CSRS and $46,908 for those who retired under FERS. Not bad, but not the highway robbery Rush makes it out to be.
11 posted on 03/14/2003 5:17:20 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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Thank you. Yes, we all volunteered and we read the fine print before signing. We also have the choice to sign up for a $200,000 death benefit that goes to our closest living relative if we die while on active duty. I think it's quite fair. None of us joined the military to get rich and dying shouldn't make your relatives feel like they won, or are entitled to the lottery.
12 posted on 03/14/2003 5:20:08 AM PST by rabidralph (Brad Pitt + Albert Einstein = Dick Cheney)
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To: gonzo
Don't forget about the millions of dollars that were diverted to Liberal special interest groups! Once again, the American public was duped by those damned Liberals.
13 posted on 03/14/2003 5:22:44 AM PST by Destructor
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts; gonzo
And the victims of OKC bombing received nothing...unless of course, someone can establish a link to ME terrorism. State terrorism,etc. Jaynadavis.com seems to have develoed some interesting items. Sen. Spector is reviewing this info...
14 posted on 03/14/2003 5:28:01 AM PST by donozark
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To: Buffalo Head
one is military serving their country and the other is civilians serving themselves.

It's all black and white for you isn't it? By your reasoning there were no ex-military people working in those buildings on 9/11/01 and none of them were there with any kind of larger purpose in mind other than "what color will my next Porsche be?"

And by your reasoning, there is no person in the military that had any thought about how this choice of career training would benefit them personally. They are only there out of a totally consuming sense of duty to God and country.

I do get it. There are all kinds of people in this world. Some go into the military, some do not. But those that do go, got there as volunteers and know that they may one day be put in harm's way.

15 posted on 03/14/2003 5:36:51 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (®)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
The people murdered on September 11, 2001 made no such choice.

Does paying the survivors acknowledge that the USA is responsible for the terrorist attack? If not, what is the rationale for making payments?

16 posted on 03/14/2003 2:44:59 PM PST by MosesKnows
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To: MosesKnows
Does paying the survivors acknowledge that the USA is responsible for the terrorist attack?
No.

If not, what is the rationale for making payments?
Perhaps the rationale is best summed up by this question:

Q. Why does a dog lick himself?
A. Because he can.

Q. Why does the USA make thes payments to the victim's families?
A. Because we can. Because we care. Because we hurt for these people. I do. Don't you?

17 posted on 03/14/2003 3:05:45 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (®)
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To: grumple
This item gets pulled because it's several months old and was posted several times.
18 posted on 03/14/2003 3:10:12 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult ("Read Hillary's hips. I never had sex with that woman.")
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To: gonzo

I was with the 108th Arty Gp, july of 68-69. I wasn't anyone special, but almost got killed 3-4 times, I figure thats enough to allow me to speak! I didn't know I had problems until I got in a STP Program, I just went thru 4 divorces, and 2 bankruptcies thinking it was what everyone did. I guess the startle responce thing, and the mistrust thing is also just a social amenity. I ain't asking for anything, I just can't deal with people. The fact that I was legislated out of business compliments of the Fla Bar association, doesn't really play in this matter. After all I did get to go to Junior College for almost 2 years, to find out I can't get hired because I have a gun charge that "was expunged" still on my record? You can call me alot of things, but never call me a wanna be, I was there.And YES I am Bitter!


19 posted on 06/06/2004 9:18:55 PM PDT by rambo007
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Hey I was Drafted? 1968?


20 posted on 06/06/2004 9:21:52 PM PDT by rambo007
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