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Janet Daley hits the bullseye yet again.

Regards, Ivan


1 posted on 03/11/2003 4:14:53 PM PST by MadIvan
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2 posted on 03/11/2003 4:15:07 PM PST by MadIvan (Learn the power of the Dark Side, www.thedarkside.net)
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Git the US Outta the UN and Git the UN Outta the US!!

NOW!!!! Rollin' rollin' rollin'...MUD

3 posted on 03/11/2003 4:17:34 PM PST by Mudboy Slim (The A.N.S.W.E.R., my FRiends..."DemonRATS LOATHE EqualJustice Fer ALL!!")
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To: MadIvan
Well I can't see the problem here.

US can go without a UN resolution any time and will do it.

So the solution here is the US and Britain to go alone and do what has to be done.

I am surprised that they even waited for so long.

Screw the UN, screw Russia, France, Germany or any other country that opposes this war.

US and Britain as leaders of the free world can go alone.

Or can they .....?

5 posted on 03/11/2003 4:21:24 PM PST by bobi
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To: MadIvan
My feelings exactly. We shouldn't covet the UN's imprimatur, and we definitely shouldn't be competing to purchase it. We should just tell the world exactly what the UN is, and go ahead and do what's right with respect to Iraq.

In the short run, it could make things considerably more difficult. The long run is more important. We need to do what's right, and the rest of the world needs to know that we'll do what's right, no matter what a bunch of bloody dicatators' toadies have to say about it.

7 posted on 03/11/2003 4:22:56 PM PST by solzhenitsyn ("Live Not By Lies")
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But if it is wrong to leave Saddam in power, why is it right to do so if the UN cannot resolve its differences

The essence of the UN resolution nonsense and proof that the average person "polled" on the subject has no clue about the impotency of the UN.

Evil is evil and does not become "good" just because the UN can't agree on a course of action.

What all this proves is there are only a few leaders left in the world who know the difference between right and wrong and are willing to fight to eliminate the wrong.

8 posted on 03/11/2003 4:24:20 PM PST by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: MadIvan
UN approval has become a covenient excuse to kick the can down the road and not face up to an issue. It gives cover for cowards, terrorists, dictators and the most evil,vile leaders in the world. It has encouraged corruption in it's ranks as it provides safe haven for rich dictators to bribe these beauracrats to do their bidding.
14 posted on 03/11/2003 4:29:39 PM PST by Brett66
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To: MadIvan
Can anyone claim to have been edified by the pantomime of the past few days, with the foreign ministers of the great nations flying around Africa with metaphorical suitcases full of money to "persuade" tinpot dictators to support their position in the Security Council?

I am disgusted that our president has done this. If we feel justified in going to war, then let's do it. If we don't, then stop blustering. But this begging of Cameroon, Guinea, and Angola for their permission to use our troops is an absolute humiliation for the United States. Somebody tell Bush that we are a sovereign country, not a colony of Cameroon.

15 posted on 03/11/2003 4:29:56 PM PST by per loin
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Okay, I don't understand what the problem with the UN is? After all, they are going to put in place the ultimate deadline for Saddam! In fact, I was able to fly my 1 nanometer drone (equipped with a microphone and transmitter) into the closed security council session. Here is what I picked up:

"Okay, so we are all in aggreement. Saddam must disarm completely within 10 days or face the consequences. The chair recogizes the gentleman from Cameroon".

"Cameroon agrees. 20 days from today, Saddam must have disarmed completely."

"The chair recognizes Botswana".

"Botswana agrees, but with hesitation. If Irag has not disarmed within the prescribed 45 days, then it regrettably must face war."

"The chair recognizes Andorra"

"Andorra also agrees. Iraq must prove it has completely disarmed within 90 days or it's showtime."

"The chair recognizes Germany".

"Germany abstains".

"The chair recognizes Iceland".

"Iceland agrees 100%. If Saddam has as much as one bullet left in 180 days, we will send our troop to join the battle."

"The chair recognizes France."

"I have been instructed to announce that France surrenders."

"Uh, okay. The chair recognizes the United States."

"We respectfully report that the largest parking lot in the world is now located in downtown Baghdad. So, put that where the sun don't shine Kofi!!"

17 posted on 03/11/2003 4:36:59 PM PST by technomage
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As other have pointed out, the Supreme Council of the Mafia voted "democratically" on the propositions that came before them.

Of course, the members of the Council got there by lying, betraying and murdering their opposition. Which perhaps puts a slight crimp in any legitimate claim to moral authority.

Sounds a lot like the UN to me.
18 posted on 03/11/2003 4:39:42 PM PST by Restorer (TANSTAAFL)
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Five days to the end of the United Nations. Start the coundown now. Who would've thunk it. Two years ago, everything was condo boom time for the builders of multilateral institutions. There was Kyoto, the EU, the World Court -- and then of course, there was the UN. Most of the pundits, including conservatives saw multilateral institutions as the precursor to a Global World. The only people opposed were derided as failed security guards or janitors with delusions of seeing Black Helicopters and White Vans in the night.

Today, the EU is in shambles, NATO is in a mess, Kyoto is forgotten, the World Court is studiously trying to find someone acceptable to try to arrest eventually someday and the UN casket is being lowered, none too carefully, into a six-foot hole.

If the world survives, historians of the near future will wonder whatever possessed the Liberal Establishment to throw away the multilateral gains of the last 50 years for the sake of a motheaten, mustachioed middle eastern dictator who was neither Marxist, gay nor chic.

The honest answer is madness. The insanity of Rwanda, Kosovo and Zimbabwe was at heart, a reflection of the madness in the Liberal soul, which saw no evil until it saw nothing. The multilateral institutions broke every record vying for the Three Stooges Award. The UN died when America died laughing.

Rest in pieces.
19 posted on 03/11/2003 4:50:32 PM PST by wretchard
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You mean all that "Weekly Reader" stuff I read about the UN back in the '50's and '60's isn't true?
20 posted on 03/11/2003 4:59:19 PM PST by Paraclete
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UN lets tinpot dictators rule the world

Of course we all know that the accurate headline would be something like:

UN ASSISTS MURDEROUS, THIEVING DICTATORS To Rule The World; Also Hamstings
Good Leaders Attempting to Thwart Scum-Dictators
21 posted on 03/11/2003 5:02:08 PM PST by VOA
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After Bush said last week in his press conference, that America "doesn't need anyone's permission" ......domestic support for invading Iraq without UN sanction, has been rising.
22 posted on 03/11/2003 5:59:15 PM PST by FreeCanuckistan
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Yeah, the UN does let dictators run the world, what else is new?
23 posted on 03/11/2003 5:59:40 PM PST by Commander8
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Isn't this why the United Nations attendees love Bill Clinton? Clinton the would be dictator with socialist designs for his country is right in league with that group of thugs and other wannabekings! The least patriotic elected official this nation has ever voted into office...if in fact we did!
24 posted on 03/11/2003 7:26:10 PM PST by yoe
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To: MadIvan
Good post, Mate...

Even Clare Short must know that the aid and trade packages that are being offered to Guinea, in return for putting its hand up at the right moment...

Claire is spot on -- So ridiculous are the UN shananigans lately, it would be hard to believe the UK, the US, the Aussies, Japan, etal. would want to subject themselves to this kind of BS any longer after the Iraqi issue is addressed.

26 posted on 03/11/2003 7:49:16 PM PST by F16Fighter (March 17th -- Operation: EXTERMINATE SADDAM)
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The UN has been revealed to be not a talking shop, as its dismissive critics have always claimed, but a diplomatic souk in which bribery, vanity and manipulation are the currencies

Very well put, indeed.

The UN is a farce. The sooner we are done with it, the better.

29 posted on 03/11/2003 9:48:03 PM PST by Wphile (I'M SO SICK OF THE IRAQ DEBATE!)
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Yeah... Her Majesty's Government should hang its head in shame at grovelling before Third World dictators before exercising its right to defend itself. Thank Heaven Winston Churchill isn't around to see the begging to which the former center of the British Empire has now been reduced.
30 posted on 03/11/2003 9:54:05 PM PST by goldstategop
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To: MadIvan
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NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that you are no longer welcome upon the premises located at _1st Ave __between 42nd street and 48th street, New York City,New York and you are required to GET THE HELL OUT within three (3) days after the service of this notice.
If you fail to move from the premises in the three-day time period, the People reserve the right to bodily throw you out. You may also be required to pay back all the money you have wasted.
DATED this __11______ day of ___March___________________, ____2003_________.


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32 posted on 03/11/2003 10:10:51 PM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get)
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No more UN for US-list

If people want on or off this list, please let me know.

33 posted on 03/12/2003 12:57:47 PM PST by knighthawk
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