Posted on 03/11/2003 2:41:21 AM PST by hellinahandcart
This is the second time they will have tried to pass this in the past month---with zero input from the public, I might add.
The first time they tried to bring it to a vote, certain hard-left elements in the council objected because they didn't think the resolution was antiwar enough, and the few conservatives on the council would not have voted for it under any circumstances. So Gifford Miller cancelled the vote. Now it's on the calendar again for Wednesday, and it looks like they are aiming for a resolution so "reasonable" that they think no one could possibly object to it.They really want this thing to pass. I am personally distressed to see that the number of sponsors to this abomination has at least doubled since their last meeting in February.
Well, they can soften the language and the tone all they want, it's still an "antiwar" resolution. Under "meeting Details" on the NY City Council website, here is what you'll find:
Res 0549-2002
Oppose the Congressional Resolution allowing President George W. Bush to unilaterally declare war against Iraq. Proposed Res. No. 549-A
And here is what they propose to vote on tomorrow (bold emphasis mine):
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Wednesday, March 12, 2003
* Addition
Committee(s) on Cultural Affairs, Libraries & International Intergroup Relations
Time: 11:00 AM
Location: Committee Room - City Hall
Chairperson(s): Jose Serrano
Proposed Res. No. 549-A -
By Council Members Perkins, Baez, Barron, Boyland, Brewer, Clarke, Davis, DeBlasio, Dilan, Espada, Gerson, Gioia, Gonzalez, Jackson, Koppell, Liu, Lopez, Martinez, the Speaker (Council Member Miller), Monserrate, Quinn, Reed, Reyna, Sanders, Seabrook, Serrano, Stewart, Vann and Yassky -
Resolution -
calling on the government of the United States to make all efforts to work through the United Nations Security Council in a manner that would reaffirm our nations commitment to the rule of law and the primacy of human rights in our international relationships, and to take all appropriate steps toward securing the participation of other nations and international bodies in the effort to ensure that Iraq does not possess biological, chemical or nuclear weapons and toward promoting human rights for all the people of Iraq; and further calling on the government of the United States to work through the United Nations Security Council and with other nations to ensure the unimpeded access of United Nations weapons inspectors to all areas of and facilities in Iraq and to ensure that the inspectors be given a full and fair opportunity to conduct their efforts in accordance with United Nations Security Council resolutions; and further calling upon the Council of the City of New York to oppose a pre-emptive military attack on Iraq unless it is demonstrated that Iraq poses a real and imminent threat to the security and safety of the United States or its allies or unless other options for achieving compliance with United Nations resolutions calling for the elimination of weapons of mass destruction and the means for their development have failed.
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Do we pay these nitwits to spend their time opposing CONGRESSIONAL RESOLUTIONS, or to concern themselves with New York City matters? Have these morons no clue as to how this is going to look to the rest of the country (and we owe the rest of the country. Big-time.) Are we really supposed to enjoy the prospect of both the UN and the NY City Council going on record AGAINST Bush this week?
Pick apart the leftist buzzwords and phrases at your leisure, but these folks have got to hear from us TODAY.
I'll bet JakeyBoy can take McC Jr..
"Richmond Mayor Rudolph C. McCollum Jr. says President Bush has not made a convincing case for a war in Iraq. He is asking the City Council to take a stand on the issue. "I definitely believe there is a time for war, but I don't believe we have necessarily gotten to that point," the mayor said.
IMHO, Mr. McCollum, you are Without a CLUE regarding Foreign Policy!! Go back to sleep, DOLT!!
"McCollum introduced a resolution last night that says such a war may threaten the stability of the Middle East and likely increase al-Qaida terrorist threats to the United States. "Most cities and states are suffering fiscal crises where programs that benefit working people and the poor are being threatened by severe budget cuts," the resolution says, "and it has been estimated that a war in Iraq would likely cost the U.S. government over $100 billion, an amount that could go a long way to meeting our health and education needs."
SHADDUP, you MORON!!
"McCollum said Bush has not presented proof Iraq poses an imminent threat to America's security. He wants the president to report to Richmonders with an estimate for the cost of waging such a war and then rebuilding Iraq. Additionally, the mayor wants to know where America will get the money. He also poses these questions: What is the U.S. plan for stabilizing Iraq in the wake of a war? And what will the United States do to protect its soldiers and allies as well as Iraqi civilians?"
Rudy McCullom is a MORON and I will tell him so to his face!! What a STOOOOOPID IGNORANT JackA$$, just like Timmie "TheUkropsButtBoy" Kaine...ridiculously STOOOOPID...dangerously STOOOOPID!!!
"McCollum said he believes the United States should get support from the United Nations Security Council before attacking Iraq. The mayor's resolution comes as the United States and Britain face the threat of a veto from France, which has declared its opposition to any resolution that would lead to war. The mayor plans to call for a vote on his resolution during the City Council's March 24 meeting."
I'll be there, Mayor McCollum...be prepared fer some PrivateCitizenOutrage!!
I usedta work fer the City of Richmond and McCollum's a PI$$ant...just ask Charles Peters...LOL!!
"If it passes, the city would send the resolution to Virginia's two U.S. senators and all of its House representatives as well as to Bush. The mayor expressed concern the country could go to war before the council votes on the resolution. ...In Virginia, the Charlottesville City Council voted 4-1 on Feb. 3, passing a resolution against a unilateral war with Iraq "unless it is demonstrated that Iraq poses a real and imminent threat to the security and safety of the United States."
C'Ville's run by a bunch of Socialist DORKS, DWEEBS, and Ne'er-Do-Wells...HOO cares?!
"During a break between meetings last night, Richmond City Council members informally debated the mayor's proposed resolution. Some clearly oppose the resolution, while others favor it. "Our nation is under attack. We cannot second-guess the motives of our national leaders," Councilman Bill Johnson, who served in the U.S. Marine Corps during the Vietnam era, said during an interview last night. Johnson plans to abstain or vote against the resolution. "If there is to be a call against the war, it should come from the citizens of Richmond, not the government of Richmond," he said. Councilman G. Manoli Loupassi is also critical of the mayor's idea. "We should spend our time discussing things within our control and expertise, such as the tax rate, and not waste our time with things beyond our control," he said."
Thank you fer yer sensibilities, Council-Persons Manoli and Johnson!!
"Vice Mayor Delores L. McQuinn and Councilwoman Gwen C. Hedgepeth say they will support the mayor's resolution."
'Nuff said...are there two bigger MORONS on the planet than these two DemonRAT-DOLTS?! Doubt it!!
"Council member Bill Pantele said he is undecided about the issue. Councilwoman J.M. "Jackie" Jackson declined to comment, saying she had not yet read the resolution. Council members Sa'ad El-Amin and Joseph E. Brooks were absent last night."
Sa'ad El-Amin is ON TRIAL fer Tax Evasion...too bad the Voters in his district vote too STOOOOPID to recognize that criminals shouldn't be elected!!
Contact Jeremy Redmon at (804) 649-6804 or jredmon@timesdispatch.com
Tell Mr. Redmon MUD sent ya...MUD
FReegards...MUD
Zackley...this's why I live in ChesterfieldCounty now...MUD
It's kids like that HOO grow up to be linebackers.
But, on the optimistic side, there is a group of REAL Republicans in this city who are trying to take back the party and are focusing on the city council elections this year. www.urban-republican.com
"February 27, 2003
Dear President Bush:
As women from Iraq who fled our homeland to escape persecution by Saddam Hussein’s regime, we write to offer our support for your principled leadership. We applaud your determination to disarm Saddam and your commitment to help liberate the people of Iraq. We are daughters, mothers, wives, and sisters whose families and communities have suffered for too long. We stand with you because only the United States and its allies can help the people of Iraq break free from Saddam’s 34 years of brutal rule.
Those who have taken to the streets with signs reading, “No War on Iraq” are misled. It is Saddam who has been waging war on the people of Iraq. Every day that this war continues, more of our brothers and sisters will suffer from Saddam’s totalitarian and racist policies.
A quarter million Iraqis have been murdered in summary executions and mass killings - thousands of them gassed with chemical weapons. Millions have been forcibly displaced in ethnic cleansing campaigns, their homes destroyed, their property seized, their relatives deported and never seen again. Public beheadings, arbitrary arrests, torture and rape are routinely used to intimidate the population. This systematic campaign of terror will never stop until Saddam and the Ba'ath party are removed from power!!
We regret that the use of force to remove Saddam’s evil regime will entail the suffering of innocent people. But we also know that many lives have been lost in the past and many more will be lost in the future if Saddam is not stopped. The cost of inaction and appeasement would be very high for the people of America and Iraq alike. We know from personal experience that Saddam cannot be “contained” and will always be a danger to the world.
The Iraqi people will help to liberate their country, just as they heeded America’s call to rise up against Saddam after the Gulf War in 1991. But without American assistance, that uprising was crushed. Some of us participated in that uprising, risking our lives and losing relatives. When the United States comes to our assistance this time, the Iraqi people will not only be grateful, we will join in. But we cannot overthrow Saddam on our own.
We look forward to the day when, with the help of Americans and others of good will, Iraq can take its place as a Free World nation – a nation that is founded on the rule of law and equal rights for all citizens, where women participate fully in society, their rights respected and protected. As you plan for a post-Saddam Iraq, we ask you to maintain your commitment to establishing the building blocks of democracy, and to ensure that no neighboring powers interfere militarily with our desire to live in a free, pluralistic and democratic Iraq. Anything less would be an opportunity foregone to dramatically change the fate of millions of Iraqis, and sow the seeds for even greater changes across the Middle East.
"Again, we wish to extend our heartfelt support to you for your leadership, and our gratitude to all Americans who will be asked to risk both lives and treasure to remove Saddam. Know that the Iraqi people will eagerly contribute everything they have to the task. Our prayers are with you, with the American people, and with the Iraqi people."
Women for a Free Iraq"
Amazing Times We Live In...MUD
That's the Upper Left Side for you. I was probably the first loyal American to pass that way in lo these many years.
Thanks for the handy dandy list, hell. I will be using it.
Hey Mayor,RichmondGet a clue. Don't you think Richmond has enough to worry about without your bunch of boneheads trying your hands with foreign policy?
You don't have enough experience with foreign policy to work with Hanover, Henrico and Chesterfield.
Catch a clue. While your at it catch a crook or two. Heck, catch Sa'ad.
You guys are an embarrassment.
FReegards...MUD
March 23rd...and they just announced the Patrick Henry Reenactment on WRVA-1140...which you can hear from the Outer Banks to DeeCee to Roanoke to Harrisonburg!!
I sincerely believe Jeff Beck, Michael Graham and Eric Cantor are Lurkers...MUD
Same with my councilman, Gifford F!#%*&@ Miller. Not only is he a sponsor, and Council Speaker, but this is his last term. So he doesn't give a crap about re-election. Not to City Council, anyway.
I knew it would be an exercise in futility but I had to call anyway. I also knew there was no point in yelling, for the above reasons.
I simply asked the girl on the other end of the phone how Miller was planning to vote on the measure, and she said "He's voting for it."
I said I had figured as much, but I wanted to go on record as saying it was a hideous mistake, and I told her why. I said this was going to make a lot of people across the country very angry, and make them regret wasting their money, their sympathy, and in some cases, their presence, on us after 9/11. I said that I didn't believe Gifford Miller had really considered how ungrateful this resolution might make us appear to others.
I also said that it looked to me like the city council was jumping on the bandwagon after a lot of smaller cities and small towns with leftist councils, and that the largest city in America shouldn't reduce itself to being a sheep in the flock. That the resolution was completely out of the city council's bailiwick, that it could do absolutely no good and might do a good bit of harm. I pointed out that several cities which had passed similar resolutions had been forced to repeal it after public outcry, and did she think Mr. Miller would relish the idea of having to do the same her? I also told her that one town had lost tourism through cancelled conventions and reunions, after its town council had passed one of these things. Don't we worry about angering people to the point that they'll spend their tourist dollars somehwere else?
I then said that it didn't sit well with me at all that 51 people were proposing to speak in the name of ten million, without a public referendum or even so much as one public hearing on the matter.
That's when the receptionist said (rather patronizingly, and quite naively IMO), "It's only a resolution, you know."
I said "'Only a resolution'? Yeah, right. Take my word for it, this is going to go over like a LEAD BALLOON if it gets any national publicity at all!"
Only a resolution...grrrrr...that was definitely a tear-your-hair-out-in-handfuls moment.
My councilman, Alan Gerson, is not only a sponsor (something I realized only after I made the call), but represents the district which took the hit from the terrorist attacks!
The battle ax answering the phone got very indignant when I pointed that out and wanted to know what one thing has to do with the other!
You can probably just how well she took it when I explained that passing this resolution -- especially with the avid support of the councilman who represents the area with the gaping hole in the ground -- will look REALLY embarrassing to the rest of the world, and will make us appear to be foolish ingrates.
Now that I've adopted a congressman to "replace" Nadler and a senator to "replace" PIAPS (I'm still searching for one to replace Putzhead), it looks like I'm going to have to adopt a new councilman too. Aye carrumba!
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