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Fuzzy thinking at the New York Times: Limbaugh whacks 'paper of record'
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Tuesday, March 11, 2003 | David Limbaugh

Posted on 03/11/2003 12:14:25 AM PST by JohnHuang2

Since the New York Times editorial page is the political left's "paper of record," and thus fairly representative of the liberal anti-war sentiment in America today, I thought I'd analyze its recent missive "Saying No to War."

The crux of their position is "in the face of United Nations opposition ... long-running, stepped-up weapons inspections" is "a better option" than invading Iraq. "By adding hundreds of additional inspectors" and "using the threat of force" "the United States could obtain much of what it was originally hoping to achieve."

Sorry, but "obtain[ing] much" won't get it – getting close doesn't work with mass destruction weapons. One event is too many, thank you. And "using the threat of force" begins to lose its deterrent effect if you never make good on the threat, which we didn't for 12 years, even when Saddam sent the inspectors packing.

The left has consistently opposed troop deployment, yet that's what got Saddam to let the inspectors back in. Now they want to take advantage of our troop presence to deter his noncompliance – as if that's what they favored all along. But if they'd had their way, we'd still be mollycoddling and our troops would be stateside.

President Bush, they say, has "talked himself into a corner" by demanding regime change, "making it much harder for Washington to adopt" stepped-up inspections. Bush hasn't talked himself into a corner. He's exactly where he wants to be. He's been clear that you can't achieve disarmament and eliminate the Iraqi WMD threat without regime change. The Times would be compelled to agree with this if they followed to their logical conclusion their own assumptions that Saddam "can never be trusted to disarm on his own accord" and "history shows that inspectors can be misled." President Bush would prefer that the United Nations remain on board, but he understands that his constitutional duty to protect and defend America doesn't include a U.N.-approval contingency clause.

The Times says "there are circumstances under which" we'd have to act "militarily no matter what the Security Council said," such as if America were attacked. Preemptive attacks, however, are presumably a worse option to them than national suicide. Under their logic we could not attack Iraq if it had nuclear intercontinental ballistic missiles aimed at us and Saddam had his finger on the button.

Saddam represents a real threat, plus he's had years to comply. It's not as if this were unprovoked. What, after all, is the point of peace treaty conditions if compliance isn't backed up by the genuine threat of force? If the defeated nation repeatedly violates them, doesn't the enforcing body lose its credibility unless it employs the option of force – the only thing Saddam responds to?

The editors admit that Bush's argument "for invading Iraq" for "its refusal to obey U.N. orders that it disarm" is "a good reason," "but not when the U.N. itself believes disarmament is occurring and the weapons inspections can be made to work." If we ignore the Security Council and act on our own, "the first victim in the conflict will be the United Nations itself." They continue, "The whole scenario calls to mind that Vietnam-era catch phrase about how we had to destroy a village in order to save it."

Of course, the demise of the United Nations – a loose confederation of nations that, on the whole, doesn't even like us, much less want to protect us – will cause me no tears. And their bizarre Vietnam analogy shows just how off base their thinking is. This is not about the United Nations, its fate or integrity – which, by the way, has already emasculated itself by letting Saddam walk all over it. It's about protecting ourselves and our allies in a dangerous world.

But more importantly, what if the United Nations is manifestly wrong about inspections – as the editors admit it could be? Should we still defer, delegating America's national security to this incompetent, often hostile body? Was the Times opposed to Clinton acting without the U.N. in Kosovo?

Finally, they accuse Bush of changing "several times" his reasons for invading, citing his "theory" that we "can transform the Middle East by toppling Saddam." Our purpose mustn't be "fuzzy;" we can't "invade another country for any but the most compelling of reasons."

Sorry, gentlemen, but the only thing fuzzy is your thinking. These are not mutually exclusive goals. Ushering in democracy, if it occurs, will be a collateral benefit of disarming and removing Saddam.

President Bush has been consistently clear about his goal to remove and disarm Saddam for the most compelling reason that while in power he will always be a threat to the United States and its allies directly, and by supporting terrorists with whom we are at war.


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: sayingnotowar; unirrelevant
Tuesday, March 11, 2003

Quote of the Day by AmishDude

1 posted on 03/11/2003 12:14:25 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
I would think its the perfect day to roll. That would knock some sense into the fuzzy headed liberals at the New York Times.
2 posted on 03/11/2003 12:16:28 AM PST by goldstategop
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To: JohnHuang2
David Limbaugh is NEVER guilty of fuzzy thinking.
3 posted on 03/11/2003 12:18:48 AM PST by EternalVigilance (Keep up the Skeer - Peace Through Strength and Unceasing Action!)
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To: EternalVigilance
This is not about the United Nations, its fate or integrity – which, by the way, has already emasculated itself by letting Saddam walk all over it

The UN Security Council was the last vestige of possible use in that august body. This crisis has totally unmasked even that as useless, and the diplomats now realize it.

I never thought that it was going to be liberals who finally destroyed the UN, but there it is. The only thing left right now, I believe, is to define the limits of its irrelevance.

4 posted on 03/11/2003 1:33:50 AM PST by AFPhys
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To: JohnHuang2
Don't I continually see lefties like this on news shows saying Bush Sr should have finished the job in 91 even though that would have gone against the UN approval?

Now they say we shouldn't go in w/o UN approval?

No doubt if we listen to them and back off now -- then at the first terrorist act, we'll hear about how Bush should have taken care of business when he had the chance.

5 posted on 03/11/2003 2:00:20 AM PST by Zack Attack
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To: JohnHuang2
Sorry, gentlemen, but the only thing fuzzy is your thinking.

And ain't that the truth about most all liberal positions.

They are wonderful Sophists and Gnostics, blessed with 'special' knowledge and understanding expressed in arguments that begin in vapor and go nowhere.

6 posted on 03/11/2003 2:33:17 AM PST by txzman (Jer 23:29)
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To: JohnHuang2
I'm still waiting for Arafat to get UN approval to send suicide bombers into Israel. And when is the UN security council going to vote to decide if The Sudan can continue its civil war slaughter of the Christians in the south. Or how about a vote on the Columbian rebels attacks on their civilian population. And then this bastard organization of professional lounge lizards is going to tell us what we can and cannot do to protect ourseleves. I don't think so. If I was President Bush, I would demand this worthless organization of peace nazis get out of our country ASAP. That would be a huge step in the right direction in the war on terror.
7 posted on 03/11/2003 2:45:57 AM PST by Russell Scott ((Saddam, beware the Ides of March))
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To: JohnHuang2
Ushering in democracy, if it occurs, will be a collateral benefit of disarming and removing Saddam.

"If they export terror, we'll export democracy."

Best darn thing Bush ever said. How is it the NY Times can't get it through their thick, liberal coconuts that it's not the democracies of the world going around threatening each other with war and WMD? And it never has been. Dictatorsips are the problem. They all need to be put on short notice. Their time is up.

8 posted on 03/11/2003 2:50:32 AM PST by laredo44
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How is it the New York Times can't get it through their thick, liberal coconuts ...

This isn't about peace and war, it is about bashing President Bush. The liberals hate him and just want to throw accusations at the president. If it were Bill Clinton acting against Saddam "Insane," the liberal media would be falling over themselves to kiss his feet.

9 posted on 03/11/2003 3:33:19 AM PST by 2nd_Amendment_Defender
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To: Russell Scott

10 posted on 03/11/2003 3:39:07 AM PST by 2nd_Amendment_Defender
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