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Pope's message to Bush - war against Iraq will be 'unjust and illegal'
Houston Chronicle ^ | March 6, 2003 | BENNETT ROTH

Posted on 03/06/2003 12:40:07 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

WASHINGTON -- A Vatican envoy Wednesday carried the pope's message to the White House that a U.S.-led war against Iraq without United Nations' approval would be "unjust and illegal."

The stern words from Cardinal Pio Laghi, who met for 40 minutes with Bush, underscored the rift between the president, who considers himself a deeply religious man, and a number of Christian leaders over Iraq.

Pope John Paul II has regularly preached against the war and asked Catholics worldwide to pray for peace and fast on Ash Wednesday.

Several mainstream Protestant denominations also have come out against a pre-emptive strike by the United States against Baghdad.

But the dispute between the White House and the pope over Iraq poses an especially difficult political quandary for Bush, who has aggressively sought to woo traditionally Democratic Catholic voters to the Republican fold.

The meeting Wednesday did not appear to bridge the gap.

While Bush has signaled that he is prepared to confront Saddam Hussein even without the Security Council's approval, Laghi said that the Vatican believes a just war can be waged only with the United Nations' endorsement.

Laghi said before going to war the United Nations should take into account "the grave consequences of such an armed conflict: the suffering of the people of Iraq and those involved in the military operation, a further instability in the region and a new gulf between Islam and Christianity."

He said that any war without U.N. approval "is illegal, it is unjust, it's all you can say."

White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said that Bush defended his policy to the Cardinal, telling him, "if it comes to the use of force he believes it will make the world better."

Officials said that Bush disagreed with the Vatican's contention that a war would widen the gulf between the West and the Muslim world. The president argued that U.S. efforts to expand educational opportunities for children in Afghanistan had brought the cultures closer.

Laghi, a former Vatican ambassador to the United States who was close to Bush's father, delivered a letter from the pope to the president, which concluded "I ask the Lord to inspire you to search for ways of stable peace -- the noblest of human endeavors."

The White House was clearly nervous about the publicity of the rift between Bush and the Vatican, particularly coming during a period of tense negotiations at the United Nations.

Laghi, addressing reporters at the National Press Club, said that administration officials would not allow him to hold a press conference in the White House. It is customary for visitors to field media questions in the driveway in front of the West Wing after they meet with the president.

The growing tension with the Vatican could undercut Bush's efforts to court Catholic voters.

Since assuming office Bush has twice visited the pope in Italy and has spoken at the commencement at Notre Dame University. The president also has appealed to more observant Catholics by opposing abortion and cloning.

But experts said Bush risks losing support from those voters by pressing ahead with war.

"Bush goes to Catholics and talks about how he is opposed to abortion. It is the same values that lead Catholics to oppose abortion that lead them to oppose war," said John Green, a political science professor at the University of Akron.

Dan Bartlett, the president's chief communications adviser, rejected the contention that the pope's appeal may erode support among American Catholics for possible war.

"There are many Catholics who support," Bush's Iraq policy, Bartlett said. "I am one of them."

Recent polls suggest that so far the Vatican's influence has been limited in the United States.

A recent survey by the Pew Center for the Public and the Press found that about two thirds of American Catholics backed military action in Iraq -- similar to the overall backing for war.

The poll found the highest backing for war comes from evangelical Christians, who have long provided the backbone of Bush's political support.

And not surprisingly it is evangelical leaders who have broken with many Protestant churches on the issue of Iraq.

A practicing Methodist who was raised an Episcopalian, Bush speaks the language of evangelical Christians, according to a number of religious scholars who have studied his speeches.

The president laces his speeches with references to faith and citations from the Bible, often linking his religious faith to domestic and international policy.

"I welcome faith to solve the nation's deepest problems," he recently told a convention of religious broadcasters.

Bush's use of religious rhetoric, however, has troubled a number of secular and religious critics who say the president is unfairly endowing himself with moral authority to justify war.


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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"The White House was clearly nervous about the publicity of the rift between Bush and the Vatican, particularly coming during a period of tense negotiations at the United Nations."

This is ridiculous... I am Catholic, and support the President 100%!!! Let's face it... It will be the United States of America who will ultimately guard and protect the Vatican and the damn United Communist-Terrorist Nations. The White House has nothing to be nervous about, EXCEPT, the health and well being of our people, the men and women in the military abroad. Best wishes to you, and God bless.
21 posted on 03/06/2003 2:08:24 AM PST by Terridan
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To: metesky
Yep, and that's why the Vatican "appeased" Hitler, to protect the treasures, which I can understand. Now, they should pray to God that the United States protects them, which I am sure they are doing, as are we all.
22 posted on 03/06/2003 2:11:10 AM PST by Terridan
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The Pope knows he can't come out and call for the removal of Saddam by force. If he did we'd have an out-and-out, world-wide religious war.

It's a shame that in times like these, where there exists a desperate need for moral clarity and strong, fearless leadership, that the man who, in the minds of billions, is the most prominent representative of Christ on earth, cannot "rise to the occasion" and use this opportunity to impart an important aspect of the character of God to those who consider him some sort of authority.

Better that he should remain silent than openly contradict the Word of God. In the absence of moral courage, silence is a great substitute; assuming formlessness prevents one from being cornered and forced to take a stand. The goal of avoiding an "out-and-out, world-wide religious war" can therefore be achieved without a "man of God" standing in opposition to God.

23 posted on 03/06/2003 2:16:01 AM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: GiovannaNicoletta; metesky; Terridan; All
What will the Church say after the war, when first and second hand accounts of Saddam's evil are revealed? Then will it will be righteous and just? Does the Pope believe there is evil? I'm sure he does.
24 posted on 03/06/2003 2:24:47 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
People, just don't seem to get it. Mr. Bush is doing is duty (in this case) as outlined in our constitution and unlike his predecessor isn't interested in what it will take to get "Democrat Catholics" votes.

BTW, if his holiness is so concerned about right and wrong, he might first start dealing with catholic Democrats that support and promote the murder of unborn children.

25 posted on 03/06/2003 2:49:05 AM PST by ImpBill ("You are either with US or against US!")
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To: litany_of_lies
George Bush is a Methodist.
26 posted on 03/06/2003 2:49:40 AM PST by MEG33
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"He needed to do this."

Respectfully disagree. IMHO, he (the Pope) needed to do and say nothing but to pray for peace. I am one American (not catholic) that am not at all pleased that he (the Pope) would send an messanger to the President of the United States expressing his (the Pope's) view that our impending military action in Iraq is "illegal". Who or what does the pontif of the catholic churh think he is to chastise us in this matter. Seems the Vatican, as others in power, picks and chooses which wars they offer views about.

27 posted on 03/06/2003 3:00:39 AM PST by ImpBill ("You are either with US or against US!")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
What will the Church say after the war, when first and second hand accounts of Saddam's evil are revealed?

They will say what all the other groups against the war will say:

"We didn't know!"

28 posted on 03/06/2003 3:01:49 AM PST by metesky (My retirement fund is holding steady @ $.05 a can)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
A decision regarding the use of military force can only be taken within the framework of the United Nations

When did Rome begin to bless the UN as a world governance body, anyhow? Why does it have to be the UN? Why does there even have to be such a body at all, short of Christ's return?

What's going to happen is that the US will attack Iraq and when the dust settles the Catholic church will be able to seriously set up shop in a religiously free Iraq for the first time in centuries. Wonder what tune Rome will be singing then?

29 posted on 03/06/2003 3:20:14 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: ImpBill
Seems the Vatican, as others in power, picks and chooses which wars they offer views about.

They do what they've always done. The media does the same.

30 posted on 03/06/2003 3:28:34 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: metesky
"We didn't know!"

For starters, that excuse will fly in the face of Bush's speech, Powell's testimony and published accounts.

31 posted on 03/06/2003 3:30:40 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: HiTech RedNeck
When did Rome begin to bless the UN as a world governance body, anyhow?

I'd like that anwer too. The Church needs to condemn evil not condone a group that ignores it.

32 posted on 03/06/2003 3:32:31 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
We know that some are willfully ignorant.
33 posted on 03/06/2003 3:33:15 AM PST by metesky (My retirement fund is holding steady @ $.05 a can)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The Pope would be better off attending to the plank in his eye, and take care of pedophile priests...
34 posted on 03/06/2003 3:33:43 AM PST by GodBlessRonaldReagan (where is Scotty Moore when we need him most?)
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To: ImpBill
This kind of "pre-emptive" war doesn't fit into the Augustinian just war framework. But St. Augustine didn't have to deal with any debased dictators -- for which even "satanic" seems like a horribly inadequate word -- overseeing a regime that brews up nuclear weapons, lethal gases, and devastating diseases and is downright gleeful at the idea of putting them into play. When the rabid dog froths copiously at the mouth you don't wait for it to approach someone to bite; you shoot it.
35 posted on 03/06/2003 3:37:35 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: GodBlessRonaldReagan
You can't bargin with the devil. I think the Pope needs to sit this one out if he can't recognize him.
36 posted on 03/06/2003 3:50:28 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Sorry Pope...you got it wrong. Now why don't you send the choir boys home?
37 posted on 03/06/2003 3:57:36 AM PST by Check6
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I wonder just who the "pope" is that is speaking, John or the bureaucracy. There is so much that is inconsistent with the way he once was that makes me think others are speaking for him and he is possibly in age related dementia. Too different from what would be expected from one who was under Soviet tyranny.
38 posted on 03/06/2003 4:04:50 AM PST by KeyWest
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
We need the Holy Father's permission to defend ourselves from evil? The Church has certainly changed a great deal since the Crusades. Instead of fighting the evil of Islamofascism, it seeks to turn the other cheek and watch silently while Christians are cleansed out of the Middle East. This from the same Catholic Church that kept silent when Muslims slaughtered Christians in Lebanon for decades and keeps silent even now while Christians are being annihilated in the Sudan. Yes Pope John Paul II, your counsel this war is illegal and unjust to our President is contradicted by your Church's own passivity and standing by in the face of evil that Muslims have inflicted upon Christians for centuries. As for our President, he not you, took an oath to defend the United States from harm and that is his first and foremost responsibility. Perhaps when the Vatican is obliterated by a 9-11 type incident the Holy Father can get back and tell us then whether the use of force to wipe out evil is still unjust and illegal. I think the Pope needs to reread the Bible.
39 posted on 03/06/2003 4:05:29 AM PST by goldstategop
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To: KeyWest
Too different from what would be expected from one who was under Soviet tyranny.

I thought so too.

40 posted on 03/06/2003 4:06:53 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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