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Make Car Insurance Fairer
Forbes ^ | 03.17.03 | Ian Ayres and Barry Nalebuff

Posted on 03/05/2003 8:12:53 PM PST by wallcrawlr

Wouldn't it be a great idea if the oil companies offered all-you-can-drive gasoline? For one fixed price, you could drive as much as you wanted. Of course, this is ludicrous. It would be massively unfair. It would create terrible incentives. Yet this is how auto insurance is sold. Some insurers offer a 15% discount if you drive less than 7,500 miles a year. But beyond this distance the price is fixed. People who drive 10,000 or 100,000 miles pay exactly the same premium.

Econ 101 says that when something is free, people consume too much. In this case, all-you-can-drive insurance encourages people to drive more than they otherwise would if they had to pay the full cost of each mile. The heavy drivers don't bear the total costs related to their actions--hospital bills, body shop bills, highway congestion.

Low-mileage drivers (e.g., women, who drive half as much as men) get a raw deal. Fixed-price insurance hurts Detroit, too. More people would choose to have second and third cars--maybe a ragtop for weekends?--if the extra insurance weren't so expensive.

So what should be done? Simple. Charge drivers for insurance on a per-mile basis. That does not mean higher average insurance rates. It does mean that the low-mileage drivers would stop subsidizing the high-mileage drivers. If the per-mile fee reflected the incremental risk, Berkeley professor Aaron Edlin calculates that driving would be cut back by 9%, with an insurance savings of $8 billion a year and an additional $9 billion savings in reduced congestion. Not to mention the environmental benefits of reduced fuel consumption.

Proposals for implementing usage-sensitive rates go way back. In 1963 Nobel Prize-winning economist William Vickrey suggested that insurance be included in the purchase of tires. Anticipating the objection that this might lead people to drive on bald tires, Vickrey said drivers should get credit for the remaining tread when they turn in a tire.

Andrew Tobias proposed a variation on this scheme in which insurance would be included in the price of gasoline. That would have the added benefit of solving the problem of uninsured motorists (roughly 28% of California drivers). As Tobias points out, you can drive a car without insurance, but you can't drive it without gasoline.

In Vickrey's time, turning back odometers was, perhaps, too easy. With digital electronics, rolling back the odometer is much harder. It is also illegal. Odometer readings are good enough for car leasing--why not for car insurance?

Alternatively, an insurer could monitor distances driven using the Global Positioning System. As this magazine noted earlier (Nov. 27, 2000), Progressive Corp. had a pilot insurance program using this technology.

GPS could slice the risk equation more finely. Highway mileage could be given a discount, and nighttime driving could be charged a premium. Speeding could also lead to higher premiums. To put a positive spin on it: You safe drivers would get the discounts you deserve.

Why has the insurance industry been so cool to mileage-based pricing? An established insurer might be reluctant to adopt it because it would lead to higher rates for half of its customers, and that half would be angrier than the other half would be pleased. Pay-per-mile insurance makes the most sense to a company that is trying to grow and to attract more women customers.

Another stumbling block is that some states make it very difficult for insurers to provide this product. Patrick Butler has been working for some 20 years to get the law changed to bring per-mile insurance to the marketplace. With the support of the National Organization for Women, he has drafted model legislation to allow firms to offer per-mile insurance.

In January 2002 Texas became the first state to explicitly permit per-mile insurance. There is mileage-based insurance legislation pending in both Oregon and Georgia.

In the U.K., Norwich Union, a major auto insurer, has already rolled out a similar plan. Early indications suggest that customers who drive less than the norm are saving, on average, 25%.


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To: discostu
He was right about the self insurance thing.

You owe laotzu an apology.

141 posted on 03/14/2003 9:43:42 AM PST by guesswho
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To: guesswho
He wasn't right. And according to his own posts he resurrected this whole thing with a lie just to pull my chain (he first sited 28-4007, which he now says has nothing to do with it, in 81, I made the Quixote comment in regards to that in 84). Even if he had been right about the self-insurance that doesn't change the fact that he's repeatedly lied about what I said and blatantly mischaracterized my posts. I'm not apologizing for being lied to and about.
142 posted on 03/14/2003 9:47:18 AM PST by discostu (This tag intentionally left blank)
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To: discostu
It wasn't until I re-read this thread
that I realized you are female.

I apologize, & ask that you please excuse my behavior.

143 posted on 03/14/2003 12:29:27 PM PST by laotzu
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To: wallcrawlr
In this regard, auto insurance is comparable to our lovely, "fair" tax system. The people who should pay don't, and the people who should be rewared for making money and keeping better the quality of life in this "free" country, are called evil and have to pay their "fair share."


144 posted on 07/11/2003 4:59:26 PM PDT by God is good (Till we meet in the golden city of the New Jerusalem, peace to my brothers and sisters.)
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To: Jim Noble
"Make it voluntary and watch the price plummet."

That's what I tell people and they look at me as if I was crazy. It amazes me how little people in general think about anything. Public "education" taking its toll?

The American auto insurance scam almost seems like a ploy to pull working Americans down more and more and raise up the big daddy government the lazy, ill-willed, greedy, brainless, spineless sheep the socialist fools tend to breed.

Auto insurance? I too should include medical insurance and our so very logical tax system.
145 posted on 07/11/2003 5:06:45 PM PDT by God is good (Till we meet in the golden city of the New Jerusalem, peace to my brothers and sisters.)
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To: TLI
I THINK WE HAVE A WINNER!!!
146 posted on 07/11/2003 5:23:29 PM PDT by God is good (Till we meet in the golden city of the New Jerusalem, peace to my brothers and sisters.)
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To: discostu; laotzu
So, can anyone tell me if I can get self auto insurance in Arizona?
147 posted on 07/26/2003 3:09:14 PM PDT by wasp69 (Remember, Uday in Pig Latin is DU)
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To: wasp69
Wow what an antique. According to how I read it you can IF you have a fleet or are otherwise a commercial interest but not otherwise. Eitherway it means sticking a lot of money somewhere you can't touch it and you're probably better off not doing it.
148 posted on 07/26/2003 3:24:02 PM PDT by discostu (the train that won't stop going, no way to slow down)
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To: sarasmom
I have no tickets, no claims, no accidents, yet my insurance premiums rise every year due to "uninsured motorists".

Mine too but it's not just unisured motorists. A lot is now the extreme high cost of many of the cars being driven. It's a bit unfair if someone is driving an older car that might have a blue book value of $2000 and others are driving cars that cost them $40,000 --- I believe liability is the same for both drivers so the cheaper car's driver would only get $2000 max if the other driver was at fault. It makes it very difficult for people forced into low wage jobs to afford insurance.

149 posted on 07/26/2003 3:52:38 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: goodnesswins
You can go 50 years without an accident but pay as much at 65 as you did at 15. (Inflation adjusted) There is a point from which you can go no lower, even if you have NEVER been involved in an accident, unless you minimize the coverage that you have.
150 posted on 07/26/2003 3:57:04 PM PDT by PISANO
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To: Libertarianize the GOP
No fault Insurance allows everybody to buy as much or as little personal coverage as they desire and actually reduces claims.

That is a very uninformed statement.

151 posted on 07/26/2003 3:59:24 PM PDT by Focault's Pendulum (I just sold Canada on E Bay..Pay Pal is giving me a hard time with the credit card transaction.)
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To: Publius6961
Most fatalities and DUIs are by uninsured drivers.

Where did that info come from...just curious.

152 posted on 07/26/2003 4:01:38 PM PDT by Focault's Pendulum (I just sold Canada on E Bay..Pay Pal is giving me a hard time with the credit card transaction.)
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To: wallcrawlr
I'll go you one better.

When I was stationed in Australia in 1969 I had to buy insurance for my car. A 1954 MG tf. The government in Australia required a minimum coverage policy. The policy was the same regardless of the company selling it and the price charged for the policy was required to be the same where ever you bought it.

You could purchase additional coverage if you desired and those prices were not controlled.

For thirty something years now U.S. insurance companies have been able to thwart any effort to establish that system here.

153 posted on 07/26/2003 4:06:23 PM PDT by fightu4it (Hillary Clinton -- Commander-In-Chief of US Armed Forces? Never.....Never....Never!)
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To: discostu; wasp69
According to the state of Arizona:
"Before you can register a vehicle in Arizona, you must show proof of financial responsibility. This can be in the form of a certificate of insurance, a bond, or certificate of deposit or cash in the amount of $40,000."

Any of these methods, save the first(certificate of insurance), could be referred to as 'self-insurance'.

154 posted on 07/30/2003 11:50:41 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: laotzu; wasp69
The law hasn't changed, the argument hasn't changed:
http://www.azleg.state.az.us/ars/28/04007.htm

A. A person in whose name more than twenty-five motor vehicles are registered or who is required to comply with the financial responsibility requirements prescribed in article 2 of this chapter may qualify as a self-insurer by obtaining a certificate of self-insurance issued by the director as provided in this section.

B. On the person's application, the director may issue a certificate of self-insurance if the director is satisfied that the person is able and will continue to be able to pay judgments obtained against the person.

C. On not less than five days' notice and after a hearing, the director may cancel a certificate of self-insurance on reasonable grounds. Failure to pay a judgment within thirty days after the judgment becomes final is a reasonable ground for the cancellation of a certificate of self-insurance.

D. A person who is required to comply with the financial responsibility requirements prescribed in article 2 of this chapter may apply for partial self-insurance to cover any portion of the financial responsibility requirements.

Twenty-five vehicles to self insure. PERIOD.
155 posted on 07/30/2003 12:43:07 PM PDT by discostu (the train that won't stop going, no way to slow down)
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To: discostu
Quite true, as regards commercial auto only.

That was not the question.

156 posted on 07/30/2003 1:18:11 PM PDT by laotzu
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To: laotzu
It's the same challenge you failed to live up to months ago:
Show the law that says an individual in AZ can self-insure. Quote it and link it.
157 posted on 07/30/2003 1:19:06 PM PDT by discostu (the train that won't stop going, no way to slow down)
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To: discostu
"Quote it and link it."

Go to:
http://www.id.state.az.us/consumerautofaq.html#A_1

158 posted on 07/30/2003 1:26:05 PM PDT by laotzu
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To: laotzu
Wow you finally did it. Wonder why you couldn't do that months ago. Oh that's right you were being a dork.

OK you're right. Done deal.
159 posted on 07/30/2003 1:28:45 PM PDT by discostu (the train that won't stop going, no way to slow down)
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To: discostu
In all fairness, that is a link to the Arizona Department of Insurance; and we all know what lyeing bastards they are.

Besides, what would they know about it?

160 posted on 07/30/2003 1:29:46 PM PDT by laotzu
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