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The TrueMajority 10 Principles (Help dissect propaganda)
True Majority ^ | 3/05/03 | Ben Cohen

Posted on 03/05/2003 4:56:41 PM PST by listenhillary

1. Attack World Hunger and Poverty as if Our Life Depends on It: It Does. Anchor our foreign policy in the compassion for the poor that unites all the world's religions. Reduce the debts of impoverished countries. Shift foreign aid from buying weapons to feeding people.

2. Champion the Rights of Every Child, Woman and Man. Make America stand for justice, not expediency. Stop turning a blind eye to governments that abuse their own people. Ratify the Convention on the Rights of the Child and the Convention on the Elimination of Discrimination against Women. If punishing a foreign tyrant means, in actual practice, punishing the women and children who are his victims, desist, and find another path.

3. End our Obstructionism to the World's Treaties. Throw America's full weight behind the United Nations, the only political body that holds all the world’s nations in the age of globalization. If the United States participates in the United Nations more effectively and fully, other nations will follow suit. Pay our U.N. dues on time and without conditions. Withdraw our lonely opposition to the landmine ban, Kyoto Protocol to halt global warming, and International Criminal Court. Show once again the "decent respect for the opinions of mankind" that our Declaration of Independence affirms.

4. Reduce our Dependence on Oil & Lead the World to an Age of Renewable Energy. Oil holds us hostage to regimes hated by their own people; their hatred transfers to us. America is 5% of the world's people but we generate 25% of the pollution that causes global warming. It's our duty to lead. We will reduce our energy consumption 25% by 2010. Make a Moon Mission scale commitment to develop solar and wind power technologies. Set and meet a goal of generating 20% of our energy from renewable sources by 2010.

5. Close the Book on the Cold War and Ease the Nuclear Nightmare. Cast a cold eye on giant weapons designed to destroy giant enemies that no longer exist. Cancel obsolete Cold War weapons. We applaud the nuclear force cuts announced by President Bush, but even 2,000 warheads poised and aimed at Russia are unwise. We squander $35 billion a year on this obsolete arsenal. Save half of that money, take our missiles off "launch on warning" and invite all nuclear nations to negotiate a nuclear weapons ban.

6. Renounce Star Wars and the Militarization of Space. After spending $134 billion dollars (twice our lifetime commitment to cancer research!) our military has nothing to show for its obsession with a dubious Missile Defense but the deep suspicions of our new allies. Enough is enough.

7. Make Globalization Work for, not against, Working People. Open the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank to the public. Let sunshine into the councils of the World Trade Organization and the North American Free Trade Agreement. Affirm that the welfare of the planet's people supersedes corporate patents and profits.

8. Ensure Equal Treatment Under Law for All. Vigorously enforce and strengthen the nation’s civil rights laws that guarantee freedom from discrimination based on gender, race, sexual orientation or physical ability. Reform America’s criminal justice system laws so that justice is no longer systematically dispensed in a way that disadvantages minorities.

9. Get Money out of Politics. Curtail the vast corrupting influence of corporate campaign contributions, which make Congress beholden to private interests. Enact public campaign financing--we can fund it entirely by closing a single offshore corporate tax loophole!

10. Close the Gap between Rich and Poor Kids at Home. All these words will ring hollow to the world if America does not close the chasm between rich and poor in our own society. We will fully fund Head Start and health insurance for the millions of American children who can't get either. We will invest the money needed to build and nourish schools worthy of this great nation.

TrueMajority’s principles are endorsed by Greenpeace, Rock the Vote, Physicians for Social Responsibility, Peace Action, the National Head Start Association, Global Exchange, The Interfaith Alliance, The Nation magazine, Sojourners, Rainforest Action Network, Women's Action for New Directions (WAND), Service Employees International Union (SEIU), National Council of La Raza, and a long and growing list of Americans.


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Help dissect this point by point. I would like to send it back to the leftist that sent it to me. Short and to the point debunking to each question.
1 posted on 03/05/2003 4:56:41 PM PST by listenhillary
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To: JohnHuang2
Ping!
2 posted on 03/05/2003 5:00:31 PM PST by listenhillary (www.ejectejecteject.com)
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To: listenhillary
Help dissect this point by point. I would like to send it back to the leftist that sent it to me. Short and to the point debunking to each question.

Why? These ignorant fools have already made up their minds. Why confuse them with the facts and the truth?

3 posted on 03/05/2003 5:07:21 PM PST by AlaskaErik
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To: listenhillary
better yet, I;ll paraphrase theirs into the truth:

1. USA must feed the world for free, and forgive all debts.
2. Give lip service to championing rights, but do nothing constructive.
3. Abandon soveriegnty. Succumb to CCI and Kyoto in order to destroy the USA quickly. Shred Constitution.
4. Adopt, overnight, fuel technology that has no hope in a free market, funnel all research and energy monies to our friends in "progressive" companies.
5. Scrap the arsenal. Now. USA must be weak.
6. Stop the missile shield project. Even purely defensive military is forbidden.
7. Abolish the business model, give away free money to our socialist friends without strings.
8. Bring back affirmative action, release all minority prisoners. Now.
9. Enable our lap dog media to monopolize all political messages so that only we are heard.
10. Topple all of society now, socialize America so we are all "equal", except those of us elites who need to oversee the new Communist Nation.
4 posted on 03/05/2003 5:21:17 PM PST by moodyskeptic
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To: listenhillary
1. Attack World Hunger and Poverty as if Our Life Depends on It: It Does. Anchor our foreign policy in the compassion for the poor that unites all the world's religions. Reduce the debts of impoverished countries. Shift foreign aid from buying weapons to feeding people.

To do this you would have to overthrow all the corrupt socialist regiemes around the world and replace them with U.S government backed regiemes taking advice from Conservative Supply-Side Chicago Economists I.E Chile, Korea, Japan.

We have to increase military spending to do this and you also have to stop forgiving debts because doing this only allows the kleptocrats running these regiemes to keep on pilfering and surviving by spending all the money on unproductive wealth redistribution schemes.

5 posted on 03/05/2003 5:24:00 PM PST by Odyssey-x
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To: listenhillary
Best thing to do with this is crumple it up and toss it in the circular file.

hit delete.

Go buy more ammo.
6 posted on 03/05/2003 5:25:50 PM PST by tet68 (Jeremiah 51:24 ..."..Before your eyes I will repay Babylon for all the wrong they have done in Zion")
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To: listenhillary
1.poverty and hunger are the result not of enough food, but unequal distribution of food...overthrow marxist governments who engage in food-as-warfare programs

2.Treaties are all nice and well and good, but have no teeth in practical reality...see number 1

"Gosh, were ya born stupid or did yer momma drop ya...see #2,follow link to #1

4. oil is, for the foreseeable future, the only viable energy source for most products, except nuclear...invest in safe nuclear energy...and we may be only 5% and produce 25%, but we are far more productive and produce well over 25% of the worlds goods...would you rather that China be 20% of the world population, produce 8% of the worlds goods, and also produce 53% of the worlds pollution?...shut up and go see #3, follow links

5.nuclear weapons are way cool...screw you, I like 'em

6. If you could knock an intercontinental ballistic missile out of the sky, suddenly all those billions spent on such would be available to socialist welfare programs...methinks you aren't looking at the big picture...see#3, follow the links

7.corporations ARE people, ya twit...

8.totally bogus...minorities commit an over-represented percentage of crimes because socialist whinings tell them they're special and not subject to being responsible for their actions...see#3, follow the links

9.money is a form of speech...the Supreme Court said so...shut up and either contribute to "pansiesforstalinism" or just shut up

10.the only gap between poor and rich kids is that rich kids can be educated in private schools where such inane socialist drivel as embodied in the other 9 above points is not allowed to fester and infect...vouchers, vouchers, vouchers

7 posted on 03/05/2003 5:27:44 PM PST by Bobber58
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To: listenhillary
TrueMajority’s principles are endorsed by Greenpeace, Rock the Vote, Physicians for Social Responsibility, Peace Action, the National Head Start Association, Global Exchange, The Interfaith Alliance, The Nation magazine, Sojourners, Rainforest Action Network, Women's Action for New Directions (WAND), Service Employees International Union (SEIU), National Council of La Raza, and a long and growing list of Americans.


One can't help but notice the stripe of "Americans" endorsing this hogwash.
8 posted on 03/05/2003 5:28:14 PM PST by tet68 (Jeremiah 51:24 ..."..Before your eyes I will repay Babylon for all the wrong they have done in Zion")
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To: moodyskeptic
Good stuff!
9 posted on 03/05/2003 5:28:40 PM PST by listenhillary (www.ejectejecteject.com)
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To: listenhillary
He's an idiot who once made ice cream I don't buy anyway. He is very heavy on UN nonsense and lousy treaties.
10 posted on 03/05/2003 5:30:19 PM PST by dennisw ( http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/weblog.php)
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To: listenhillary
These idiots forgot one: Abolish the US Constitution and adopt the UN Charter. P.O.T.
11 posted on 03/05/2003 5:32:43 PM PST by 45Auto ( Socialism is a disease.)
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To: listenhillary
Well, here are a few points for starters:

Anchor our foreign policy in the compassion for the poor that unites all the world's religions.
The U.S. provides more money in foreign aid than any other nation. We also provide a MINIMUM of $200 billion in charitable giving a year. How much of that is foreign aid I’m not sure. This of course does not include the MASSIVE amounts of remittances funneled from recent immigrants to their home countries, and does not account for the value of the massive amounts of time and labor provided by individuals in NGOs (non-governmental organizations).

Reduce the debts of impoverished countries.
Tell them to set up a privately funded foundation for this purpose.

Shift foreign aid from buying weapons to feeding people.
Then how will you provide for the common defense?

Make America stand for justice, not expediency.
Irrelevant claptrap.

Stop turning a blind eye to governments that abuse their own people.
Like Iraq, North Korea, and Iran?

Ratify the Convention on the Rights of the Child and the Convention on the Elimination of Discrimination against Women.
Only if we convene a Convention on the Rights of Conservatives in America and the Convention on the Elimination of Demonization of Men.

If punishing a foreign tyrant means, in actual practice, punishing the women and children who are his victims, desist, and find another path.
Turn it around: If NOT punishing a foreign tyrant means, in actual practice, punishing the women and children who are his victims, desist and find another path (i.e., punish the tyrant).

Throw America's full weight behind the United Nations, the only political body that holds all the world’s nations in the age of globalization.
We already pay the bulk of the UN’s dues.

If the United States participates in the United Nations more effectively and fully, other nations will follow suit.
If the rest of the world participates in the UN more effectively and uses it for its intended purpose, the U.S. will follow suit.

Pay our U.N. dues on time and without conditions.
Talk to Bill Clinton about that one.

Withdraw our lonely opposition to the landmine ban, Kyoto Protocol to halt global warming, and International Criminal Court.
The Kyoto Protocol will do very little to reduce global warming but will devastate our economy, upon which the entire world depends. Tough to combat poverty when the world economy collapses. The ICC has fundamental structural flaws: Namely, it claims power over the U.S. Constitution. We only recognize the powers granted by the constitution.

Show once again the "decent respect for the opinions of mankind" that our Declaration of Independence affirms.
We’ll respect other nations when they get off their asses and do something to oppose tyranny. Other nations need to stop being parasites of America’s power – i.e., stop flourishing under our protection while doing nothing to ensure their own (or ours).

America is 5% of the world's people but we generate 25% of the pollution that causes global warming.
Actually, Third World countries are the source of most pollution, not the industrialized nations.

It's our duty to lead. We will reduce our energy consumption 25% by 2010. Make a Moon Mission scale commitment to develop solar and wind power technologies. Set and meet a goal of generating 20% of our energy from renewable sources by 2010.
Ah hell, this one is too big to handle. Let’s just say the issue is far, far more complicated than just building solar panels and wind farms.

5. Close the Book on the Cold War and Ease the Nuclear Nightmare. Cast a cold eye on giant weapons designed to destroy giant enemies that no longer exist.
As noted below, we now only have 10% of our previous warhead arsenal. Sounds like impatience to me.

Cancel obsolete Cold War weapons.
Ask for their military qualifications. If they do not study military strategy they are effectively idiots spouting nonsense.

We applaud the nuclear force cuts announced by President Bush, but even 2,000 warheads poised and aimed at Russia are unwise.
See above.

Actually, they are aimed all over the place. This is a red flag that indicates gross ignorance.
We squander $35 billion a year on this obsolete arsenal.
$35 billion represents less than 10% of our military budget and only 0.35% of our yearly GDP. Hardly a disaster.

Save half of that money, take our missiles off "launch on warning" and invite all nuclear nations to negotiate a nuclear weapons ban.
We have already signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. You know, the treaty that North Korea, Iraq, and Iran are ignoring. And use of nuclear weapons – in fact, chemical and biological weapons, as well -- is already forbidden in international law.

6. Renounce Star Wars and the Militarization of Space. After spending $134 billion dollars (twice our lifetime commitment to cancer research!) our military has nothing to show for its obsession with a dubious Missile Defense but the deep suspicions of our new allies.
It’s called research. And it’s not our allies who are worried.

7. Make Globalization Work for, not against, Working People.

Actually, studies have shown that those companies which have integrated their economies more fully in the global system have enjoyed greater economic growth.
Open the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank to the public. Let sunshine into the councils of the World Trade Organization and the North American Free Trade Agreement.
OK. I can live with this.

Affirm that the welfare of the planet's people supersedes corporate patents and profits.
No, actually the rights of the individual supercede the rights of the collective. Human rights and the right to private property (i.e., ‘profits’) have been shown to be one and the same.

8. Ensure Equal Treatment Under Law for All. Vigorously enforce and strengthen the nation’s civil rights laws that guarantee freedom from discrimination based on gender, race, sexual orientation or physical ability.
This is sloppy thinking. Laws don’t guarantee anything. They make certain acts illegal, and the Civil Rights Act of 1964 made these things illegal. It is illegal to murder, but that doesn’t mean that people don’t get murdered.

Reform America’s criminal justice system laws so that justice is no longer systematically dispensed in a way that disadvantages minorities.
Ask them to proof it. More minorities may be in the prisons, but that doesn’t mean the laws are flawed. This is a logical fallacy.

9. Get Money out of Politics. Curtail the vast corrupting influence of corporate campaign contributions, which make Congress beholden to private interests.
OK, let’s ban the vast corrupting influence of union and Lefty activist campaign contributions, which make Congress beholden to their private interests.

Enact public campaign financing--we can fund it entirely by closing a single offshore corporate tax loophole!
Who determines which party gets how much money?

10. Close the Gap between Rich and Poor Kids at Home. All these words will ring hollow to the world if America does not close the chasm between rich and poor in our own society.
We will fully fund Head Start and health insurance for the millions of American children who can't get either. We will invest the money needed to build and nourish schools worthy of this great nation.
12 posted on 03/05/2003 5:37:53 PM PST by Catalonia
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To: Catalonia
1. The nations where the children are not starving correlates to the countries with the most capitalism and economic freedom. End starvation? We must remove authoritarian regimes that use food as a weapon. Removing authoritarian regimes would show the most compassion to the poor. Shift foreign aid to countries adopting our constitutional form of government that puts severe limitations on government power and maximum power in the hands of individuals. We can end foreign aid to buy weapons after we have eliminated dictators, socialists, oligarchies and other authoritarian forms of government.

2. You mean like Iraq and North Korea? Part two - See above, no foreign aid, emergency aid to countries with authoritarian rulers.

3. You mean the UN that has elected Libya to lead the UN human rights committee? The UN that has elected Iraq to the disarmament committee? The UN that holds 10 billion of Saddam’s oil for food money. Koyoto treaty- This is the treaty that everyone agreed to in principle but no one signed, right? The treaty that penalizes the USA which is one of the cleanest industrial producers and lets China get away with ‘bout anything?
The international court that trumps our supreme court? Sorry.

4. I can agree to reducing our dependence on oil. Not if it’s at the point of the gun of a government employee. The one that decides to save money on the socialized medicine program by forcing the US citizen to turn in our automobiles so they can be melted down to make bicycles. (insert egalitarian orgasm here) No more oil would mean our young’uns would be telling us through the little speaker boxes “Ya want yeast fries with that yeast burger?”

5. If we have an obsolete arsenal, we better get busy and build a new one. Arsenal can be gotten rid of when all of the authoritarian dictators have been shot by their armed populace.

6. Better talk to China about that.

Ran out of steam. Will use many of your points in my rebuttal. Thanks all!
13 posted on 03/05/2003 6:18:53 PM PST by listenhillary (www.ejectejecteject.com)
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To: Bobber58
Good stuff!

By the way this organization is passing an email that is encouraging the filibuster of Miguel Estrada. Bullsh*t follows... (Psst. the email can be edited with your own comments)

Bush and Allies Try to Slip Right Wing Judge Through Senate
Tell Your Senators to Support a Filibuster

Click this link to send your fax:

http://www.truemajority.com/index.asp?action=2437&ms=Estr2

We all knew that with the White House and Congress in the hands of folks who'd like lifetime appointments to the federal courts to represent their narrow special interests, we'd be in for a few bad judicial nominations. We just didn't think it would be this bad, this fast. But the national focus on the possibility of America attacking Iraq seemed like the perfect time for those who would pack the courts to sneak the first one by us.

Bush and his allies in the Senate are trying to push through the confirmation of Miguel Estrada for the D.C. Court of Appeals, the second most important court in the nation. Opposition to his anti-civil liberty/pro-corporate ideology is coming from many quarters including The Congressional Hispanic Caucus, labor unions, and People for the American Way. He refused to answer even the most basic questions about his views during a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing, and his nomination was only able to move forward because of a party-line vote.
(Favorite unanswered question: "Can you name ONE Supreme Court ruling in the last 50 years you disagree with?")

Now fearing the gathering storm opposing his nomination, the Senate Leaders have scheduled the vote on his nomination for the same day Colin Powell will be speaking about Iraq at the United Nations. That way they hope that the media and the public will be too distracted to notice what they are doing. Don't let this happen. Click this link to send your free faxes:

http://www.truemajority.com/index.asp?action=2437&ms=Estr2

And please forward this email to anyone else you know who is worried that the Judiciary might end up in the hands of right-wing extremists.

Here is the letter we'll add your name to and fax to your Senators:

Dear Senator:

I write as a constituent of yours to urge you to support a filibuster opposing the nomination of Miguel Estrada to the D.C. Court of Appeals. His views on civil liberties, the power of corporations, and other important matters are too extreme for our courts.

During his nomination hearing Mr. Estrada refused to answer even the most basic questions about his judicial philosophy thus preventing the Senate from fulfilling
it's constitutional role to advise and consent. On these grounds alone you should oppose this nomination whether you agree with his apparent judicial philosophy or not.

Thank you for your consideration of this crucial matter.

Sincerely,
(We'll add your name and address here.)
14 posted on 03/05/2003 6:27:43 PM PST by listenhillary (www.ejectejecteject.com)
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To: listenhillary
Where to begin?...so much folly, so little time.

"1. Attack World Hunger and Poverty as if Our Life Depends on It: It Does. Anchor our foreign policy in the compassion for the poor that unites all the world's religions. Reduce the debts of impoverished countries. Shift foreign aid from buying weapons to feeding people."

See, America--the most generous nation on Earth, at any time in history--must impoverish itself in the name of "compassion". Six billion humans is not enough--especially if they are third-world humans. And no amount of aid is sufficient--until the tax burden on productive Americans reduces us to third-world living standards.

2. Champion the Rights of Every Child, Woman and Man. Make America stand for justice, not expediency. Stop turning a blind eye to governments that abuse their own people. Ratify the Convention on the Rights of the Child and the Convention on the Elimination of Discrimination against Women. If punishing a foreign tyrant means, in actual practice, punishing the women and children who are his victims, desist, and find another path."

Only women and children are victims of foreign tyrants, eh?...And no thanks on "Conventions" invented by NGOs with hidden agendas. Enough weasel-words in those "conventions" to drive several tanks through. And you know, we already have way too many treaties and foreign entanglements, thanks anyhow.

"3. End our Obstructionism to the World's Treaties. Throw America's full weight behind the United Nations, the only political body that holds all the world’s nations in the age of globalization. If the United States participates in the United Nations more effectively and fully, other nations will follow suit. Pay our U.N. dues on time and without conditions. Withdraw our lonely opposition to the landmine ban, Kyoto Protocol to halt global warming, and International Criminal Court. Show once again the "decent respect for the opinions of mankind" that our Declaration of Independence affirms."

I'd like to throw America's full weight behind throwing the United Nations out of America.

And the out-of-context "decent respect"--in context below--requires us to support none of these idiotic notions:

"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."

4. Reduce our Dependence on Oil & Lead the World to an Age of Renewable Energy. Oil holds us hostage to regimes hated by their own people; their hatred transfers to us. America is 5% of the world's people but we generate 25% of the pollution that causes global warming. It's our duty to lead. We will reduce our energy consumption 25% by 2010. Make a Moon Mission scale commitment to develop solar and wind power technologies. Set and meet a goal of generating 20% of our energy from renewable sources by 2010.

Idiots. Solar and wind power are far too dilute to be more than niche sources. Nuclear power and methane hydrates are the solution to "oil dependence". Oh, and by the way, we have vast supplies of coal which these jerks basically have outlawed.

America is 5% of the world and has supplied--I dunno--80% of the inventions and advancements in human living conditions. The electric light. Modern medicine. Weather satellites. Computers. The telephone. Television. The (affordable) automobile. Mass production. Airplanes. Incredible advances in agriculture--the so-called "green revolution". And at the pinnacle of human achievement: Coca-Cola.

"5. Close the Book on the Cold War and Ease the Nuclear Nightmare. Cast a cold eye on giant weapons designed to destroy giant enemies that no longer exist. Cancel obsolete Cold War weapons. We applaud the nuclear force cuts announced by President Bush, but even 2,000 warheads poised and aimed at Russia are unwise. We squander $35 billion a year on this obsolete arsenal. Save half of that money, take our missiles off "launch on warning" and invite all nuclear nations to negotiate a nuclear weapons ban."

Of course. We can implictly trust the Russians--the people who invented the Potemkin village. I gotta idea. Let's aim one or more warheads wherever the "True Majority" makes its headquarters.

"6. Renounce Star Wars and the Militarization of Space. After spending $134 billion dollars (twice our lifetime commitment to cancer research!) our military has nothing to show for its obsession with a dubious Missile Defense but the deep suspicions of our new allies. Enough is enough."

Yeah. Edward Teller was wrong and you guys are right. You would not know Newton's Laws of Motion if they were shoved up your ass. Yet you are qualified to claim that a complex engineering program is 'dubious'. Oh yeah. Solve me a partial differential equation and get back to us.

"7. Make Globalization Work for, not against, Working People. Open the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank to the public. Let sunshine into the councils of the World Trade Organization and the North American Free Trade Agreement. Affirm that the welfare of the planet's people supersedes corporate patents and profits."

More sucking from the leeches. Drug companies--in this view--have no right to profit from life-saving wonder drugs that cost hundreds of millions of dollars to develop. Give 'em away. Er, why would anyone pony up big bucks to lose money for themselves and their stockholders? And how many wonder drugs has 'The True Majority' produced?

>"8. Ensure Equal Treatment Under Law for All. Vigorously enforce and strengthen the nation’s civil rights laws that guarantee freedom from discrimination based on gender, race, sexual orientation or physical ability. Reform America’s criminal justice system laws so that justice is no longer systematically dispensed in a way that disadvantages minorities."

First put the Clintons in jail--then get back to us on that business about 'equal treatment'. Does 'sexual orientation' include pedophilia? And--gosh--if minorities would just stop committing crimes vastly in excess of their proportion in the population, we could take a look at "reform". How many WASP gang shootings were there last year?

"9. Get Money out of Politics. Curtail the vast corrupting influence of corporate campaign contributions, which make Congress beholden to private interests. Enact public campaign financing--we can fund it entirely by closing a single offshore corporate tax loophole!"

Uh huh. Just more crap about forcing U.S. taxpayers to finance political campaigns. What part of 'voluntary donation' do you not understand?

"10. Close the Gap between Rich and Poor Kids at Home. All these words will ring hollow to the world if America does not close the chasm between rich and poor in our own society. We will fully fund Head Start and health insurance for the millions of American children who can't get either. We will invest the money needed to build and nourish schools worthy of this great nation."

Radical egalitarianism: the idea that we can make everyone equal by making everyone equally poor. Head Start is a failure. Socialized medicine is the reason health costs are spiralling out of control--and your solution is more of the same poison. And leftist groups like the NEA are what has destroyed our schools. The entire public school system should be eliminated, root and branch. The Dept. of Education abolished. And anyone who is a member of the NEA should be registered like a sex offender and forbidden to come within 50 yards of a child.

--Boris

15 posted on 03/05/2003 6:52:48 PM PST by boris
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To: listenhillary
I believe this was written by Abraham Lincoln.
 

'Ten Cannots'

You cannot bring about prosperity discouraging thrift.
You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
You cannot help small men by tearing down big men.
You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.
You cannot lift the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer.
You cannot keep out of trouble by spending more than your income.
You cannot further brotherhood of men by inciting class hatred.
You cannot establish sound security on borrowed money.
You cannot build character and courage by taking away a man's initiative.
You cannot really help men by having the government tax them to do for them what they can and should do for themselves.

FOUR POINTS OF THE COMPASS: RESTORING AMERICA'S SENSE OF DIRECTION, By Balint Vazsonyi. You might want to check out his archives. He writes clearly and with such love for America....how can a liberal be annoyed by such goodness? (^;
16 posted on 03/05/2003 7:12:59 PM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl ("Basically National Socialism and Marxism are the same." —Nobel laureate Friedrich A. Hayek)
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To: listenhillary
TrueMajority’s principles are endorsed by Greenpeace, Rock the Vote, Physicians for Social Responsibility, Peace Action, the National Head Start Association, Global Exchange, The Interfaith Alliance, The Nation magazine, Sojourners, Rainforest Action Network, Women's Action for New Directions (WAND), Service Employees International Union (SEIU), National Council of La Raza, and a long and growing list of Americans

Oh goody. More commies for my list. These ten principles are direct derivatives of the 45 goals. Watch, its just the same tired garbage in a new can.

5th Goal Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet Satellites.
6th Goal Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination
= 1. Attack World Hunger and Poverty as if Our Life Depends on It: It Does. Anchor our foreign policy in the compassion for the poor that unites all the world's religions. Reduce the debts of impoverished countries. Shift foreign aid from buying weapons to feeding people.

See its that easy. Once you understand the buzz words it the same drivel that sounds good on paper, but someone has to implement it. That someone is always GODLESS and EVIL. i.e. Stalin,Lenin,Pol pot,etc. etc. etc.

The history books that haven't been bastardized by these maggots reflects these facts.

17 posted on 03/05/2003 7:22:37 PM PST by Kudsman (LETS GET IT ON!!- The price of freedom is vigilance. Tyranny is free of charge.)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Simply marvelous. thank you. bumped and rolling.
18 posted on 03/05/2003 7:24:26 PM PST by Kudsman (LETS GET IT ON!!- The price of freedom is vigilance. Tyranny is free of charge.)
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To: listenhillary
TrueMajority’s principles are endorsed by Greenpeace, Rock the Vote, Physicians for Social Responsibility, Peace Action, the National Head Start Association, Global Exchange, The Interfaith Alliance, The Nation magazine, Sojourners, Rainforest Action Network, Women's Action for New Directions (WAND), Service Employees International Union (SEIU), National Council of La Raza, and a long and growing list of Americans. WHAT no NOW or NARAL. I'm disappointed. I want to add them too. Quick someone find me an assinine quote from a Feminazi. Please.
19 posted on 03/05/2003 7:28:57 PM PST by Kudsman (LETS GET IT ON!!- The price of freedom is vigilance. Tyranny is free of charge.)
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To: listenhillary; madfly; FITZ; Bill Davis FR; DeathStalker; mhking; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; ...
http://www.whale.to/m/disin.html

WORK AT THEM BACKWARDS WITH THEIR OWN RHETORIC SUCH AS

Note: The first rule and last five (or six, depending on situation) rules are generally not directly within the ability of the traditional disinfo artist to apply. These rules are generally used more directly by those at the leadership, key players, or planning level of the criminal conspiracy or conspiracy to cover up.

1. Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil.  Regardless of what you know, don't discuss it -- especially if you are a public figure, news anchor,  etc. If it's not reported, it didn't happen,  and you never have to deal with the issues.
2. Become incredulous and indignant.  Avoid discussing key issues and instead focus  on side issues which can be used show the topic  as being critical of some otherwise sacrosanct group or theme. This is also known as the  'How dare you!' gambit.
3. Create rumor mongers.  Avoid discussing issues by describing all charges, regardless of venue or evidence, as mere rumors and wild accusations. Other derogatory terms mutually exclusive of truth may work as well. This method which works especially well with a silent press, because the only way the public  can learn of the facts are through such 'arguable rumors'. If you can associate the material with the Internet, use this fact to certify it a 'wild rumor' from a 'bunch of kids on the Internet' which can have no basis in fact.
4. Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent's   argument which you can easily knock down to make  yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges.  Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues.

20 posted on 03/05/2003 7:29:26 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK ("He is a moss-gatherer, and I have been a stone doomed to rolling." Gandalf)
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