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Activists call recycling trash waste of time [Environmentalists call recycling "a complete failure"]
National Post ^ | March 03, 2003 | Michael Friscolanti

Posted on 03/04/2003 7:16:56 AM PST by ZGuy

A group of Swedish environmentalists -- convinced that recycling is a colossal waste of time and money -- is urging people to toss their blue boxes in the garbage.

To the chagrin of fellow environmentalists in Canada and across the globe, the group said burning cardboard, plastics and other household trash is actually much better for the planet than any recycling program has turned out to be.

In fact, the group contends the so-called benefits of recycling are all but nullified by the environmental damage associated with hauling the waste to and from the recycling facilities.

Coupled with the overwhelming cost of collecting, sorting and reprocessing the material, the group is convinced that decades-old recycling initiatives are nothing short of a complete failure.

"Protection of the environment can mean economic sacrifices, but to maintain the credibility of environmental politics, the environmental gains must be worth the sacrifice," the consortium wrote in a recent newspaper article.

At the controls of this latest anti-recycling crusade are five residents of Sweden, a country well-known for its trailblazing initiatives aimed at protecting the environment. Made up of environmentalists and waste-collection companies, the team is lead by Valfrid Paulsson, a former director of Sweden's environmental protection agency, and Soren Norrby, the former campaign manager for Keep Sweden Tidy.

Based in a country already full of incinerators, the campaigners say technology has improved so much in recent years that the process is completely clean and safe. It also allows communities to generate significant amounts of electricity, reducing their dependency on oil.

Environmentalists in Canada, however, dismissed any suggestions that recycling is a foundering experiment that should be immediately scrapped.

"I think they're flying a kite," said Guy Dauncey, a Victoria-based author and environmental consultant. "It's nonsense."

For decades, Canada has built very few new garbage incinerators, largely over concerns that they emit harmful substances. Changing that philosophy is definitely not the way to solve any glitches associated with recycling, said Veronica Sherwood, who co-ordinates the Nova Scotia Environment Network, an umbrella organization for the environmental groups in the province.

"Recycling may not be the best choice," she said yesterday. "It burns considerable precious energy and does in fact add to fossil fuel emissions. However, incineration is not an ecologically sound alternative."

Burning recyclables, said Mr. Dauncey, would still entail the same amount of effort as traditional recycling. Simply ensuring that certain toxins do not filter into the air would involve the same level of methodical sorting that occurs now.

And, he said, transportation costs -- both financial and environmental -- would not decrease if incineration replaced recycling.

"You can't put an incinerator in the middle of downtown Toronto," he said.

"So you've still got to haul the stuff to an incinerator."

David Wimberly, a well-known Canadian environmentalist, said the campaigners are doing nothing more than trying to sell a few incinerators.

Either way, other observers said it is time that Canadians -- who produce approximately 21 million tonnes of garbage every year -- more rigorously debate the merits of recycling.

"It's always worth taking a look at the numbers and looking at the reliability and asking: Have we got the mix right now or should we be trying something else," said Donald Dewees, a University of Toronto professor who specializes in environmental economics.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Canada; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: environmentalist; environmentalists; recycle; recycling
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To: ZGuy
Sure takes these whack-jobs a long time to reach logic and common sense. Liberalism clearly disables intelligent thought.
21 posted on 03/04/2003 7:43:25 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: WI Conservative 4 Bush
recycling is something I've actually enjoyed doing over the years. I actually get some small satisfaction knowing that my aluminum cans, plastic bottles and newspapers are going to be reused as opposed to filling up the local land fill.

I know many people like this, including relatively conservative talk show host, Curtis Sliwa, of WABC radio in NYC.

The priests and priestesses of the so-called environmental movemnet have made acolytes of so many! Don't you, as a conservative (presumably, by your screen name), see the absurdity of adopting this 'feel good,' but futile and even counterproductive doctrine?

22 posted on 03/04/2003 7:47:49 AM PST by shhrubbery!
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To: WI Conservative 4 Bush
However, recycling is something I've actually enjoyed doing over the years. I actually get some small satisfaction knowing that my aluminum cans, plastic bottles and newspapers are going to be reused as opposed to filling up the local land fill.

A few years back, American Spectator Magazine had an article about recycling. What the author of the piece found out was that a lot of the trash hauling contractors pay lip service to recycling when they deal with municipalities. When the recycled goods go down the road to wherever that stuff gets centralized, its often centralized into the same hole in the ground as your other household garbage.

I was watching the recycling truck recently from an upstairs window. The guy jumped out of the cab, grabbed our orange bin containing newspaper, tin cans, plastic containers (only #2), looked around presumably to assure no witnesses, and threw it all into one of the sections on the truck.

23 posted on 03/04/2003 7:48:47 AM PST by RushLake
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To: WI Conservative 4 Bush
Recycling aluminum makes complete sense. The cost of processing aluminum from bauxite is enormous in comparison to recycling costs. It makes economic sense.

Recycling batteries and motor oil also makes sense because it keep highly toxic mateials out of the environment.

However, recycling paper and cardboard makes no sense whatsoever. The market for recyled paper is primarily an artificial guilt-driven "get-involved" market. It doesn't save trees; trees used for paper are generally not "wild" or "old-growth" - rather they are trees that are specifically planted by the paper industry that are harvested for their specific characteristics. By using recycled paper products, you discourage the planting of these trees by the paper industry.
24 posted on 03/04/2003 7:54:41 AM PST by kidd
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To: RepoGirl
I remember going to White's mercantile in Winston/Salem North Carolina not too long back. Meats hung from the ceiling, you just asked for a chunk and they wrapped it in plain paper. The beans and rice were in 50 gallon trash cans. You just brought your own sack to load. Greens and vegetables were wrapped in a wet cloth you brought with you. But Whites was a store where poor blacks shopped. They could not afford the luxury of generating such huge amounts of garbage. That's progress I guess.
25 posted on 03/04/2003 7:56:20 AM PST by blackdog ("But that's what I do" A quote from my Border Collie)
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To: ZGuy
I consider myself a "green" conservative. Meaning, I try to be a good steward of God's creation. It's hard for me to understand that at our local recycling center, where cans, plastic, and glass are thrown together, that it actually gets sorted out efficiently.
26 posted on 03/04/2003 7:56:41 AM PST by stevio
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To: shhrubbery!
Awfully presumptuous of you to label me an acolyte of the environmentalist movement, just because I believe that recycling is a good idea for my family.

You wrote, "Don't you, as a conservative (presumably, by your screen name), see the absurdity of adopting this 'feel good,' but futile and even counterproductive doctrine?"

I am not into empty 'feel good' measures that's for sure. All I'm saying is that the counterproductiveness of recycling has not been proven to me. Believe me, I'll do some research to see exactly what happens to my glass, plastic, aluminum and paper here in Southeast Wisconsin. But, just because some plastic is piling up in Florida or New Mexico doesn't prove that recycling is bad...

Also, if you read my post, I'm not for telling other people what to do on this subject. Honestly. I think anti-recycling people get a little defensive, just as I think the environmentalists are a bit too radical. I'm a person that acts on my beliefs, and I'm not averse to re-evaluating my positions. I'll try to report on what I find out...
27 posted on 03/04/2003 7:56:41 AM PST by WI Conservative 4 Bush
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To: ZGuy
Has anyone thought of the energy, chemicals and effort necessary to recycle newsprint? About 25 years ago old newspapers were chopped up into blow inplace type insulation, but I haven't seen that product available for years. I know from friends in the waste business that there is virtually no market for old newsprint locally --so what happens to all the newspapers I dilligently collect for recycling? I suspicion they end up in a landfill anyway.
28 posted on 03/04/2003 7:56:44 AM PST by The Great RJ
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
mmmm, Soylent environmentalists. Probably taste lousy.
29 posted on 03/04/2003 8:00:25 AM PST by Lx (So it's now, Duct tape and cover?)
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To: All
Coupled with the overwhelming cost of collecting, sorting and reprocessing the material, the group is convinced that decades-old recycling initiatives are nothing short of a complete failure.

This is obviously not a group of "real" environmentalists. Monetary cost does not matter to real environmentalists.

30 posted on 03/04/2003 8:01:06 AM PST by newgeezer (A conservative who conserves -- a true capitalist!)
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To: WI Conservative 4 Bush
I hate to burst your bubble, but all that recycling you have been doing just goes right to the same landfill as your dirty diapers. The deal was done just to get federal monies to get recycling going. The only thing recycled are the aluminum cans.

Sorry!

31 posted on 03/04/2003 8:01:15 AM PST by blackdog ("But that's what I do" A quote from my Border Collie)
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To: sauropod
You are hereby vindicated in your refusal to recycle.
32 posted on 03/04/2003 8:02:36 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: blackdog
For many years, the secret in Seattle was that paper recylcing was shipped to Taiwan for incineration.

Taiwan got electricity, and we got the bill: Garbage costs went from about $10 / month to about $30 / month.
33 posted on 03/04/2003 8:05:29 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Peace is Good, Freedom is Better!)
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To: ZGuy
An insight into the non-rigorous thinking patterns of your typical enviroweenie:

For decades, Canada has built very few new garbage incinerators, largely over concerns that they emit harmful substances.

No thought as to what emits more harmful substances. Any process that emits any harmful substance is equally bad.

Changing that philosophy is definitely not the way to solve any glitches associated with recycling, said Veronica Sherwood, who co-ordinates the Nova Scotia Environment Network, an umbrella organization for the environmental groups in the province.

Can't change the philosophy! That might mean admitting that we were wrong! And how much do you want to bet that this "umbrella organization" is a figment of Veronica Sherwood's imagination?

"Recycling may not be the best choice," she said yesterday. "It burns considerable precious energy and does in fact add to fossil fuel emissions. However, incineration is not an ecologically sound alternative."

So recycling is not the best choice, incineration is not ecologically sound. Is there any way of dealing with garbage that is acceptable?

Burning recyclables, said Mr. Dauncey, would still entail the same amount of effort as traditional recycling. Simply ensuring that certain toxins do not filter into the air would involve the same level of methodical sorting that occurs now.

It would not just require sorting, but exactly the same amount of sorting that is required for recycling. Let alone the fact that in one scheme you are sorting out different materials for re-use and in the other you are picking out toxins, through some sort of divine miracle, both of these process involve exactly the same level of methodical sorting. Amazing!

And, he said, transportation costs -- both financial and environmental -- would not decrease if incineration replaced recycling.

Again, by some cosmic coincidence, the transportation costs for recycling and incineration are exactly the same. They don't go up or down mind you, but are some kind of universal constant, like e or pi.

"You can't put an incinerator in the middle of downtown Toronto," he said.

So we might as well not put it anywhere at all.

"So you've still got to haul the stuff to an incinerator."

Which makes it just as bad as recycling, don'tcha know.

34 posted on 03/04/2003 8:06:35 AM PST by gridlock (tag-line)
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To: formercalifornian
Moved 14 years ago? Dang, your home has doubled in price in that time....Ouch!
35 posted on 03/04/2003 8:08:11 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: RushLake
In my area, recycling is picked up by a different truck than the garbage. But I have no idea what they do with it after they pick it up. They don't take #6 plastic, which seems odd if all they do is to store it.
36 posted on 03/04/2003 8:09:06 AM PST by The Red Zone
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To: WI Conservative 4 Bush
In total agreement...freepmail coming shortly.
37 posted on 03/04/2003 8:09:16 AM PST by homeschool mama
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To: blackdog
"I hate to burst your bubble, but all that recycling you have been doing just goes right to the same landfill as your dirty diapers. The deal was done just to get federal monies to get recycling going. The only thing recycled are the aluminum cans.
Sorry!"

Wow, thanks for the research. I guess I'll just trust you. Again thanks. On second thought, maybe I'll just think for myself, and do my own research.
38 posted on 03/04/2003 8:13:37 AM PST by WI Conservative 4 Bush
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Couldn't afford a home there. That's why were here.
39 posted on 03/04/2003 8:14:15 AM PST by formercalifornian (Don't destabilize Saddam's torture state. Demand "peace.")
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To: blackdog
**I hate to burst your bubble, but all that recycling you have been doing just goes right to the same landfill as your dirty diapers. The deal was done just to get federal monies to get recycling going. The only thing recycled are the aluminum cans. **

Gosh. I'll have to tell that to my husband...who happens to manage a paper and aluminum recycling plant.

Next time you grocery shop take a look at the bottom of the paper bag. That's just *one* clue as to how paper is being recycled.

Toodles.

40 posted on 03/04/2003 8:16:17 AM PST by homeschool mama
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