Posted on 03/03/2003 2:46:58 AM PST by HAL9000
The pope wants to go in front of UNO if its message with Bush does not stop the war
Jean Paul II will ask to address personally to the Security Council of the United Nations if its message with the American president George W Bush does not convince it to give up a war against Iraq, learned Monday the AFP from diplomatic source vaticane.L' possibility of a direct address of the pope in the United Nations was evoked during the maintenance of the pope with the secretary-general of UNO, Kofi Annan, there are two weeks in the Vatican, one added of the same source.Le cardinal Pio Laghi left Rome Monday morning for Washington carrying a message of peace as it must give to the American president. The cardinal, old apostolic nuncio (ambassador) in Washington and friend of the Bush family, hopes to be received mercredi.Une delegation of American religious leaders forwarded last week to Jean Paul II a letter wishing that the head of the catholic Church go to ONU."Il is allocated only to the pope himself to make such a decision ", commented on Sunday on a chain of television the archbishop Renato Martino, old observant of the Holy See at the United Nations and current president of the pontifical Council for justice and the peace, which had been charged to transmit to the missive.Si the pope, had tired and old of almost 82 years, had he could benefit from it to go to request in Ground Zero, affirms one diplomatic source vaticane.Ce gesture would be very appreciated by all the Americans, adds one. He had been considered last August at the time of the voyage of the pope in Canada for the world Days of Jeunesse.Dans diplomatic circles of the Holy See, one estimates that the parallel actions and concommitantes of the pope on the two protagonists of the crisis, Iraq and the United States, represent a significant chance so that a war is evité.Le Iraqi president Saddam Hussein should take account of the risk to be relatively insulated in the Arab world if he made the deaf person ear with a call to order of the Arab League, even observes one of the same source.De, underlines one, president Bush, of methodist confession, should not receive from one who asked nearly a billion and half of Christians of the whole world to fast for peace Wednesday. This fast is also preached by the World Council of Churches of Geneva where Protestant Eglises and orthodoxes.En sit reiterating Sunday its call to all the Christians, the pope confirmed his determination with all to try for the paix."Sans to go in front of the difficulties, it is necessary to look for and traverse all the possible ways to avoid the war, which always brings with it serious mournings and consequences for everyone ", he launched to the thousands of brought together pilgrims Saint-Pierre place under the eye of the cameras of télévision.Le cardinal Laghi will make any possible sound to convince president Bush that a unilateral attack except UNO against Iraq is a "crime against peace", Foreign Minister of the pope, Mgr Jean Louis Tauran.
BA: "Time and again, eh? Give us four or five examples, then."
JP's against anyone who may be pro-Israel - the heart of American foreign policy in the Middle-East. He has publicly declared on numerous occasions his shameful support of the blood lust (Jewish) murderer Arafat who praised children strapped with bombs who are driven by his hateful rhetoric to murder the children of Israel.
Why do you demand examples from others that are available to you on the internet. JPII has never been a friend to America, or that which he pretends to represent. That it's suggested he is now supporting another hater of Israel is no surprise. It's a disgrace.
I am including a few examples of JP's anti-USA and anti-Israel positions to refresh your memory :
The Palestinian National Covenant, Article 15:
"The liberation of Palestine, from an Arab viewpoint, is a national (qawmi) duty and it attempts to repel the Zionist and imperialist aggression against the Arab homeland, and aims at the elimination of Zionism in Palestine. Absolute responsibility for this falls upon the Arab nation - peoples and governments - with the Arab people of Palestine in the vanguard. Accordingly, the Arab nation must mobilize all its military, human, moral, and spiritual capabilities to participate actively with the Palestinian people in the liberation of Palestine. It must, particularly in the phase of the armed Palestinian revolution, offer and furnish the Palestinian people with all possible help, and material and human support, and make available to them the means and opportunities that will enable them to continue to carry out their leading role in the armed revolution, until they liberate their homeland.
Holy See has always recognized Palestinians' right to a homeland (in Israel)
"....No one can ignore how much the Palestinian people have had to suffer in recent decades. Your torment is before the eyes of the world. And it has gone on too long." -- JPII
The Palestinian National Covenant, Article 19:
The partition of Palestine in 1947 and the establishment of the state of Israel are entirely illegal, regardless of the passage of time, because they were contrary to the will of the Palestinian people and to their natural right in their homeland, and inconsistent with the principles embodied in the Charter of the United Nations, particularly the right to self-determination.
The Palestinian National Covenant,Article 20:
The Balfour Declaration, the Mandate for Palestine, and everything that has been based upon them, are deemed null and void. Claims of historical or religious ties of Jews with Palestine are incompatible with the facts of history and the true conception of what constitutes statehood. Judaism, being a religion, is not an independent nationality. Nor do Jews constitute a single nation with an identity of its own; they are citizens of the states to which they belong.
Dheisheh Refugee ( Read Squarter ) Camp
"Throughout my pontificate I have felt close to the Palestinian people in their sufferings.....The Church, through her social and charitable organizations, will continue to be at your side and to plead your cause before the world." -- JPII
The Palestinian National Covenant, Article 22:
Zionism is a political movement organically associated with international imperialism and antagonistic to all action for liberation and to progressive movements in the world. It is racist and fanatic in its nature, aggressive, expansionist, and colonial in its aims, and fascist in its methods. Israel is the instrument of the Zionist movement, and geographical base for world imperialism placed strategically in the midst of the Arab homeland to combat the hopes of the Arab nation for liberation, unity, and progress. Israel is a constant source of threat vis-a-vis peace in the Middle East and the whole world. Since the liberation of Palestine will destroy the Zionist and imperialist presence and will contribute to the establishment of peace in the Middle East, the Palestinian people look for the support of all the progressive and peaceful forces and urge them all, irrespective of their affiliations and beliefs, to offer the Palestinian people all aid and support in their just struggle for the liberation of their homeland.
In May of 1996 the Holy See with the blessing of John Paul II decreed, "...The part of the City (Jerusalem) militarily occupied in 1967 and subsequently annexed and declared the Capital of the State of Israel, is OCCUPIED TERRITORIES, and all Israeli measures which exceed the power of a belligerent occupant under international law are therefore Null AND VOID. In particular, this same position was expressed, and is still expressed, by Resolution 478 of the United Nations Security Council, adopted on 20 August 1980, which declared the Israeli "basic law" concerning Jerusalem to be "NULL AND VOID"..." ( URGENT CALL FOR A WORLD WIDE CHRISTIAN STAND ON JERUSALEM
Arafat, Pope to sign accord
"....the Patriarch of Jerusalem, Michel Sabbah, said Pope John Paul II intends to plead, during his visit to Bethlehem next month, for the right of Palestinian refugees to return to their occupied land. The Catholic church backs the right of all Palestinian refugees to return to their homeland, Sabbah said."
The Palestinian National Covenant, Article 23:
The demand of security and peace, as well as the demand of right and justice, require all states to consider Zionism an illegitimate movement, to outlaw its existence, and to ban its operations, in order that friendly relations among peoples may be preserved, and the loyalty of citizens to their respective homelands safeguarded.
The Palestinian Authority has never rescinded this 'Covenant'.
"Woe to any nation that goes against my people Israel." -- Holy Bible.
Don't you worry about the Church. She is protected by the Holy Spirit. She is in essence the beautiful bride of Christ and the beloved of Christ Jesus.
It he goes to see Bush, I would make him stand in the snow barefoot for three days.
According to various prophacies throughout the ages, the next pope will deny Christ all together. He'll live a very short life. After him, there will only be one more pope and that's the end of that church. It goes too far to the left to survive.
Christ Jesus was a Jew. Christ Jesus chose to be a Jew. His mother was a Jew. God Almighty chose a Jewish woman to be the mother of His Son.
The one man in the entire world who has a spiritual responsibility to lead the One True Church kisses the Koran, wears the Indian Hindu high priest Brahman symbol on his forehead, and rises to speak in support of those who are determined to murder Christians and Jews.
Taking a line from the old game-show "What's My Line, I'm driven to ask, "Will the real Roman Catholic Pope please stand up."
Speaking for yourself, you are on solid ground as long as you *personally* don't speak ill of the Left's religious / political beliefs (which go hand in hand and cannot be divorced from each other).
In reality, this Pope is a relentless self promoter who never acted particularly courageously at all. In WWII, he was an actor that did a few underground plays and who was reported to feel really bad about how the Jews in his hometown were treated, but never managed to perform any feat to try and save them. During the Cold War years, he got along very well with his Communist masters, and never really did get embroiled in Polish politics - no one ever could point to resistance activities, no contacts came froward, etc. When he became Pope, he was a symbol to Polish nationalists, but that was about it.
In the meantime, most of his pronouncements have seemed to drip with scorn as to the "materialism" of the West, in particular, the United States.
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