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The Future is Muslim, European or American
Town Hall ^ | February 25, 2003 | Dennis Prager

Posted on 03/02/2003 1:18:31 PM PST by yonif

The world's future is being decided at this time.

Such moments are extremely rare in history. And when they have occurred, they have between two, not three, competing ideologies.

But there are now three ideologies competing to shape the future of mankind. They are militant Islam, Western European secularism and socialism, and American Judeo-Christianity and capitalism. The first is being spread both peacefully and violently, the second is being spread peacefully, and the third is not being spread.

Though most people ignore the fact, almost all of the world's believing Muslims believe that all of mankind should be Muslim. This, in and of itself, is not troubling -- after all, most Christians would like the whole world to be Christian, and most Westerners would like the whole world to democratic. What is troubling is that if only 10 percent of these Muslims are prepared to use violence to impose their religion on others, we are talking about 100 million people.

This is the reason about one million non-Muslim Sudanese have been killed in the last 15 years -- because they are resisting the violent imposition of Islam by the Islamic government in Khartoum. This is the reason for the Muslim-Christian violence in Nigeria -- Christians there, too, are resisting the violent imposition of Islam. And this is the reason for Islamic terror -- to weaken those countries, particularly the United States and Israel, that stand in the way of an Islamic takeover.

The second ideology seeking to dominate the world is secularism and socialism as practiced in Western Europe and supported by educated elites around the world. This is a primary reason for the anti-American demonstrations in Western Europe and in the United States. They were far more against America (especially the America of George W. Bush) than they were against war. Most of these people could not care less about the wars of the world. They have been silent throughout the mass murder of Sudan's blacks, during the genocide in Rwanda, during China's crushing of Tibet, and during Saddam's wars against Iran, Kuwait and Iraq's own Kurds. American and European "peace" activists have found those atrocities and wars quite boring.

Western European socialists and their American (and Canadian, and Latin American) supporters are as passionate about secularism and socialism as believing Muslims are about Islam. And they want to dominate the world as much as militant Muslims want Islam to. Their vehicles are the United Nations, the European Union, international treaties such as the Kyoto Protocols, and international institutions such as the International Court.

Regarding the American way, there are serious impediments to its success.

First, while the first two ideologies -- Islam and socialism/secularism -- dominate many countries, the third ideology only dominates one -- America. There is no other country that claims to be Judeo-Christian and no other that has such strong support for capitalism and small government (the opposite of socialism). Therefore, while both the militant Muslims and the socialists/secularists have supporters around the world, American values have few. That is why America goes it alone -- with the partial exceptions of Israel and Britain, no other society has the same values as we do.

Second, neither Judeo-Christian nor capitalist values are secure in America. Many Americans, including almost its entire intellectual class, are as hostile to Judeo-Christian and non-socialist values as the militant Muslims and European socialists are.

Third, almost no one is teaching the next generation of Americans (as almost no one taught the present adult generation) what is unique, let alone superior, about American values. Our children are overwhelmingly educated by people who believe in Europe's values, not in ours.

As neither China nor the rest of Asia, nor Africa, nor Latin America are offering an ideology that can dominate the world, either Europe's, or the militant Muslims', or America's way of life will prevail.

But the American way can only prevail if Americans believe in it. That is why, as important as the military and ideological battles against militant Islam are, the most important battle is the ideological one within America. But with America's universities, unions, professional associations, mainstream news media, and one of its two major parties ideologically aligned with Europe, and with big businesses constantly undermining Judeo-Christian values, the battle within America itself for America's unique values is far from won. And given that only America offers a viable alternative to both militant Islam and secularism/socialism, if we lose the battle here, humanity has a very dark future.


TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Israel; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: american; clashofcivilizatio; european; future; geopolitics; islam; islamonazi; muslim; waronterrorism
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1 posted on 03/02/2003 1:18:31 PM PST by yonif
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To: yonif
This is probably the best definition of our world at this point in time I have ever read.

I agree 110%.

(Thanks for posting it.)
2 posted on 03/02/2003 1:26:51 PM PST by dinok
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To: yonif
Bump for later.
3 posted on 03/02/2003 1:30:50 PM PST by Celtjew Libertarian (The death of any one man diminishes me... But in Saddam, I have an exception.)
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To: yonif
One, Christianity is spreading rapidly in Asia and Africa. And it's doing quite well in the Americas where the less vigourous churches are losing out to the rapidly growing more conservative churches.

Two, capitalism has grown greatly in Eastern Europe, the former Soviet Union, Latin American, East Asia, much of South Asia, and even in communist China.

Third, if conservatives are doing so badly in the US, how come the liberals no longer control Congress or the White House?

Mr. Prager is way too pessimistic. As Sovietologists did in the Cold War, he's severely understimating the strength of our side and overestimating the strength of our enemies.

4 posted on 03/02/2003 1:32:10 PM PST by LenS
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To: yonif
This is a fantastic article, and spot on.
5 posted on 03/02/2003 1:32:43 PM PST by sd-joe
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To: yonif
If the militant Muslims somehow gained a plurality in one of the states or, God forbid, in the entire nation, it would be stunning to see how quickly the non-militant Muslims would come on board. There would be no Christian, Jew or person of any other faith who would be safe.

Quoting from something a friend of mine wrote recently: "Contrary to the impression which Muslim propagandists try to convey, Islam is not compatible with the Judeo-Christian culture of this country. It is an alien religion of an alien culture that is politically repressive, oppressive to women, opposed to the separation of church and state and intolerant and violent when the occasion allows."

6 posted on 03/02/2003 1:32:52 PM PST by davisfh
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To: yonif
Yeah, but we got the weapons.
7 posted on 03/02/2003 1:34:55 PM PST by Porterville (Screw the gramatics, full posting ahead!!!)
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To: LenS
One, Christianity is spreading rapidly in Asia and Africa. And it's doing quite well in the Americas where the less vigourous churches are losing out to the rapidly growing more conservative churches.

Asian and African Christian movements are getting lots of hostility from the corrupt governments there. Take for example Christians in Indonesia. Furthermore, the Churches in the Americas are also being threatned by the governments there as well.

Two, capitalism has grown greatly in Eastern Europe, the former Soviet Union, Latin American, East Asia, much of South Asia, and even in communist China.

Capitalism might have grown, but it does not mean the other forces Mr. Prager is talking about aren't trying to prevent it from continuing in the form of American capitalism. I am talking about the European forces that are pushing for these states to adopt welfare type systems.

Third, if conservatives are doing so badly in the US, how come the liberals no longer control Congress or the White House?

It is more then physical power. He talks about the people themselves. Take for example the number of people who know our national anthem or pledge of allegience. He is saying that Liberals have taken over our schools and are teaching students in the ways of European socialism.

8 posted on 03/02/2003 1:37:44 PM PST by yonif
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To: yonif
One more point...what about the one billion Hindus??? 2-3billion Christians??? We will not go queilty. Infact, we have already won.
9 posted on 03/02/2003 1:38:27 PM PST by Porterville (Screw the gramatics, full posting ahead!!!)
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To: yonif
Finally, what this article is mistaking for the truth is the residue of the past...It haunts us like a shadow but that is all it is; the Ottoman Empire fell, Nazi's, Socialist, Fascist, Communist, all failed... Their only legacy is echoes of the past screaming for attention, like an aging actor protesting the war...
10 posted on 03/02/2003 1:42:16 PM PST by Porterville (Screw the gramatics, full posting ahead!!!)
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To: LenS
I think Dennis Prager is very close to accurate. It is a frighteningly lonely position that we are in.

I do not doubt your claims, but they do not overthrow Prager's point.

Christianity may be spreading in many areas, but Chrisianity itself is very split in its socio-economic beliefs and support. I have been stunned by some of the statements coming from the pope and the vatican lately.

Capitalism has been gaining influence in certain areas, but in many of those areas it is mixed into a strange brew of other philosophies. I don't yet have a lot of confidence in how Russia and China are going to turn out for instance.

In the US, yes Conservatives are currently doing well, but these things can change so rapidly. Reagan was wonderful, but then Clinton managed to get in and do tremendous damage.
11 posted on 03/02/2003 1:44:53 PM PST by sd-joe
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To: sd-joe
"GLOBAL CALIPHATE" do a search. This effort by Islam is not new. It has just been buried in the press.
12 posted on 03/02/2003 1:49:19 PM PST by wtc911
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To: yonif

13 posted on 03/02/2003 1:50:24 PM PST by Enemy Of The State (To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving peace.)
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To: yonif
For later...
14 posted on 03/02/2003 1:50:37 PM PST by always vigilant
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To: yonif
The conflating of socialism, securlism and support of international non miliary institutions is discordant, silly and wrong.
15 posted on 03/02/2003 1:53:43 PM PST by Torie
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To: yonif
But there are now three ideologies competing to shape the future of mankind. They are militant Islam, Western European secularism and socialism, and American Judeo-Christianity and capitalism.

First, let's call the WE secular socialists by their religious name to level the playing field...atheists. So the struggle is between the Muslims, the Judeo-Christians, and the Atheists, with Iraq acting as the lynchpin that is allying the Atheists and Muslims against Israel and America et al. This is why Iraq is so contested. It unites the efforts of the world against us, eerily Biblical in its' implications. Iraq holds much of the oil that will finance the socialists and atheists for the struggle, and cannot be ceded to the Alliance.

If this seems fantastic to you consider the recent words of "Osama Bin Laden"...

It is not harmful in such conditions for the Muslims' interests and socialists' interests to come along with each other during the war against the crusade, without changing our faith and our declaration that socialists are infidels. Socialists' leadership had fallen down a long time ago. Socialists are infidels wherever they are, either in Baghdad or Aden. Such war which may take place these days is similar to the war between Muslims and Romans when the interests of the Muslims came along with the interests of the Persians who both fought against the Romans.

16 posted on 03/02/2003 1:55:14 PM PST by ez ("Stable and free nations do not breed ... ideologies of murder."- GWB)
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To: yonif
Excellent, intriguing article, but it doesn't take China into account. One fourth of the earth's population is bound to have an effect on the future.

Also, Britain and Israel both went far in the direction of socialism earlier, further than France or Germany in the 1940s and 1950s. Things do change and today's natural allies may be rivals tomorrow.

He gets Europe's secular/social democratic synthesis right, but America's Christian/capitalist blend may be more unstable and harder to export. Secular humanism and socialism reinforce each other, though both make for decadent and unsustainable social orders. There are conflicts between Christianity and capitalism that may make the American synthesis hard to maintain.

17 posted on 03/02/2003 1:55:23 PM PST by x
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To: Porterville
Yeah, but we got the weapons.

WMDs level the playing field...

18 posted on 03/02/2003 1:57:15 PM PST by ez ("Stable and free nations do not breed ... ideologies of murder."- GWB)
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To: yonif
A very scary article,but I'm afraid I agree with it.

I told one of my sons about 10 years ago that the U.S.'s day was over,and he laughed. He's not laughing anymore.

This is one time I sincerely hope I'm wrong.The brainwashing of children in our schools is appalling,especially here in Newton,Massachusetts.I hope it's not too late to make some changes.

Was it Khruschev who said that we would destroy ourselves from within? I don't know if this is what he had in mind,but his words were prophetic.
19 posted on 03/02/2003 1:58:44 PM PST by Mears
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Secular humanism and capitalism are not mutually exclusive. Indeed, the latter is really needed to effect the ends of the former. It is an apples and oranges thingie. Mixing in nationalism and a Pavlovian hostility to international organizations merely leads one farther astray. This is one of those grand unified theories that lays an egg.
20 posted on 03/02/2003 2:00:54 PM PST by Torie
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