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Stupidity theory a dumb joke
news.com.au ^ | march 2, 2003 | Mandi Zonneveldt

Posted on 03/02/2003 11:43:19 AM PST by Indy Pendance

A PIONEERING scientist's claim that gene therapy could be used to "cure stupidity" has been dismissed by Australian experts as ludicrous.

James Watson, an American biologist who won a Nobel Prize for his role in unlocking the structure of DNA, has advocated the use of gene therapy to increase intelligence.

In a new documentary series, Mr Watson also claims beauty could be engineered using DNA technology.

But Australian experts have dismissed the idea, saying science had not yet given humans the ability to tamper with intelligence.

Australian Medical Association's ethics committee chairman Dr Trevor Mudge said it was not yet known if intelligence was determined by genetic or environmental factors.

He said it was therefore "ludicrous" to suggest intelligence could be altered using gene therapy.

But he said gene technology was progressing rapidly and society was going to have to deal with some very difficult ethical issues in the future.

Monash IVF medical director Professor Gab Kovacs doubted society would accept the use of gene therapy to alter looks or intelligence.

"I can't see it ever getting up in front of an ethics committee," he said.

Melbourne University senior genetics lecturer Dr Sylvia Metcalfe said it was unlikely gene therapy would ever be used to alter intelligence.

Dr Metcalfe, who also heads the genetics education unit at the Murdoch Children's Research Institute, said Mr Watson's comments were likely to be taken with a "pinch of salt".

The documentary series, which celebrates 50 years of research into DNA technology, will be shown in Britain next month.

Negotiations to bring the series to Australia are believed to be in progress.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bellcurve; helixmakemineadouble; iq; jameswatson

1 posted on 03/02/2003 11:43:19 AM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: Indy Pendance
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2 posted on 03/02/2003 11:46:19 AM PST by Valin (Age and deceit beat youth and skill)
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To: Indy Pendance
James Watson, an American biologist who won a Nobel Prize for his role in unlocking the structure of DNA, has advocated the use of gene therapy to increase intelligence.

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Either gene therapy or selective breeding would work. The problem is that university scientists would be in charge of it and would dedicate the process to producing politically correct morons like themselves.

3 posted on 03/02/2003 11:50:36 AM PST by RLK
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To: Indy Pendance
It is highly unlikely that intelligence is controlled by a single gene or even a small number. Much more likely that a large number of genes contribute in ways that we will be a LONG time figuring out.
4 posted on 03/02/2003 11:52:50 AM PST by Restorer (TANSTAAFL)
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To: Restorer
if stupidity were eliminated who'd vote Democrat???
5 posted on 03/02/2003 12:10:35 PM PST by Dick Vomer
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To: Indy Pendance
It would depend on the definition of stupidity, by what standard would you measure this? The same is true for beauty, of course. Now, there will always be people who are stunningly stupid and ugly... but, at what point do you say someone is intelligent and beautiful?

As an aside... my husband and I are relatively attractive and intelligent people... but, we know that our children are beautiful and surpass us in intelligence. So, this gene mixture has worked for us!
6 posted on 03/02/2003 12:18:53 PM PST by Pan_Yans Wife (Lurking since 2000.)
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To: Indy Pendance
"Against stupidity, the gods themselves contend in vain."--Freiderich von Schiller, The Maid of Orleans.

"The two most common elements in the Universe are Hydrogen and Stupidity."--variously attributed to Einstein, Frank Zappa, Wil Rogers, etc.

--Boris

7 posted on 03/02/2003 12:20:39 PM PST by boris
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To: Restorer
I strongly suspect that you are correct. Having said that, there are 3 arguments that I saw in the article:

1. Watson made a statement, for which we have not heard his reasoning. But to accept it, we have to accept the "appeal to authority."

2. "Australian experts" deride the statement as "ludicrous." Again an "appeal to authority."

3. Then the issue is clouded by some damned ethicist, whatever that is, who says it's unethical.

If I have to accept one "appeal to authority" over another, I'll accept Watson's. And the argument about ethics is a straw man--Watson made no statement one way or another on it.

BTW, is your "TANSTAAFL" quoting Friedman or Heinlein? Whoever, we'll agree those are BOTH authorities we can usually agree with!

8 posted on 03/02/2003 12:22:14 PM PST by jammer
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To: jammer
Heinlein, specifically Manny Davis in The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress, my favorite of all his books. Although Friedman is also someone I agree with on most things.

You are quite correct about this article. Analysis determines its semantic and logical value to be zero.

10 posted on 03/02/2003 1:19:54 PM PST by Restorer (TANSTAAFL)
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To: boris
It's been credited to Harlan Ellison as well.
11 posted on 03/02/2003 3:48:43 PM PST by JoJo Gunn (Help control the Leftist population. Have them spayed or neutered....)
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To: JoJo Gunn
Never. He lacks the creativity.

I "know" Ellison; he is a stuffed ego. Little man, little talent, big opinion of himself.

I used to be embarrassed to share the same zip code with the man.

--Boris

12 posted on 03/02/2003 5:59:19 PM PST by boris
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To: Dick Vomer
if stupidity were eliminated who'd vote Democrat???

It is a cure for stupidity not nastiness :)
13 posted on 03/02/2003 6:25:09 PM PST by evilC
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To: Restorer
"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by
stupidity."--variously attributed to Heinlein and Spider
Robinson.

14 posted on 03/02/2003 6:28:21 PM PST by Trickyguy
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