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Gods and Generals: Ultimate in Civil War re-enactments can make for a laughably tiresome movie
American Prowler ^ | Tuesday, February 25, 2003 | James Bowman,

Posted on 02/25/2003 1:03:04 AM PST by JohnHuang2

After three and a half hours, you will stagger out of Gods and Generals, Ronald F. Maxwell’s prequel to Gettysburg, stupefied with pathos. From the start, it offers the full Ken Burns treatment of the Civil War, with weepy violins and catch-in-the-throat personal commentary of a highly authentic character, and it never lets up. As Oscar Wilde said of the death of Dickens’s Little Nell, it would take a heart of stone not to laugh at it. For where Burnsian schmalz was endurable for an hour, with a week to recover before the next dose, it is quite intolerable spun out to this length and administered in one sitting. The whole movie takes place on an emotional fortissimo that becomes merely wearisome where it is not laughable.

Even more disastrously, Maxwell and Jeff Shaara, author of the novel he adapted, seem to labor (and boy do they labor!) under the misapprehension that the soldiers of the Civil War were a species of preachers, their minds ever fixed on higher things and inclined to drone on about the higher things in embarrassingly poetic speeches. The love, for instance, of General Robert E. Lee (Robert Duvall) for his homeland — meaning Virginia — is "something these Yankees do not understand." What to them are just "markings on a map" are to Marse Robert "birthplaces and burial grounds, they’re battlefields where our ancestors fought. They’re places where we learned to walk, to talk, to pray. They’re places where we made friendships and fell in love.… They’re the incarnation of all our memories and all that we are. All that we are."

That portentous repetition of the final phrase becomes something of a tic. "It’s not yet our time, gentlemen; it’s not yet our time." More than once, someone says: "Hail, Caesar. We who are about to die salute you." Not that there is any actual Caesar present, apart from Julius, crossing the Rubicon in one of the more tedious voiceover ruminations by Col. Josiah Lawrence Chamberlain (Jeff Daniels). As for the eponymous "Gods," we have only the firm Christian faith of several of the soldiers — most notably General Thomas, "Stonewall," Jackson (Stephen Lang), the film’s real hero — to go on. One can only imagine what Old Blue Light would have made of the plural.

True, the speechifying and the poetry are livened up with a few clumsy and obvious ironies, such as having two Irish brigades, one Union and one Confederate, blazing away at each other as someone shouts: "You left Ireland to escape tyranny. . .and now you’re shootin’ each other in the land of the free!" Well fancy that. You might think that the Irish would be well used to shooting at each other, but I guess it makes a better story this way. Likewise, General Jackson, is both savagely bloodthirsty ("Only the black flag will bring them to their senses") and mawkishly tender-hearted towards a Little Nell of his own who suffers, no one will be surprised to learn, Little Nell’s fate.

The personnel for the battle scenes come from societies of Civil War re-enactors and it is very much a re-enactors’ movie — which is to say that it has an antiseptic, educational quality in which truth-to-life is sacrificed to "authenticity." The result is an inert, lifeless product in which the soldiers look like waxworks, the image of battle without the soul. And even the authenticity is dubious at times. The generals on both sides, for example, always seem to know who is opposite them and the disposition of his troops. There is no hint of whence comes this excellent intelligence, which makes for economy of narrative but not nearly enough of the fog of war that ultimately costs General Jackson his life.

One wants to be as generous as possible to this film because in some ways it is very daring. For one thing, it has the boldness to represent Confederate soldiers as human and sympathetic; for another it offers a welcome contrast to the war movies of the past two or three decades, which generally start from the premiss that all the shooting makes no sense at all and is undertaken either by drug-crazed psychopaths (most Vietnam movies) or by decent men with obscure private motivations of their own (The Patriot, Saving Private Ryan). But here we go to the opposite extreme, where all the characters speak and act like monumental statuary. Clearly some kind of balance ought to be struck. I’m as susceptible to the lapidary epitaph and the high and respectful language of the eulogy as any man, but they should be employed very sparingly in the movies.


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Tuesday, February 25, 2003

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1 posted on 02/25/2003 1:03:04 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
More proof movie critics run the gambit. Not all conservatives will like this movie and not all liberals will hate it.

Some like Ebert will jerk a knee, others will bury themselves in their own ego and portend to know all.

In the end, it comes down to how many go see the movie.

It also proves, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the subject of the Civil War is still effecting our society. I should know, I live on a civil war battlefield that was home to the last, horribly bloody battle. The Battle of Franklin.

I swear sometimes I see or hear ghosts.

2 posted on 02/25/2003 3:04:49 AM PST by Fledermaus
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To: Fledermaus
In the end, it comes down to how many go see the movie.

Going by the first week box office returns, this movie has already died in obscurity.


BUMP

3 posted on 02/25/2003 3:17:58 AM PST by tm22721
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To: Fledermaus
No matter how much the uneducated deny it, the Civil War generals were very much devoted to their God and their philosophy. The denials in this piece simply point out the lack of education, and eliminate any validity of the critique.
4 posted on 02/25/2003 3:30:59 AM PST by AFPhys
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To: Fledermaus
I've never seen or heard a ghost but my camera picks them up once in a while.

I've been to many Civil War battlefields also. Chancellorsville made the hair on the back of my neck stand up.

If my history is correct, I believe Hood commanded the Confederates at Franklin.

5 posted on 02/25/2003 3:43:08 AM PST by johnny7
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To: johnny7; Fledermaus
"Oh, I'm going ever southward to tell my tale of woe ...
I'm going back to Georgia to see my Uncle Joe;
You can talk about your Beauregard
And sing of General Lee ...
But the Gallant Hood of Texas
Sure played hell in Tennessee."

Sung by the survivors of the Army of Tennessee during the retreat after the battles of Franklin and Nashville (to the tune of "Yellow Rose of Texas").

6 posted on 02/25/2003 3:53:07 AM PST by BlueLancer (Der Elite Møøsenspåånkængruppen ØberKømmååndø (EMØØK))
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To: AFPhys
This is true---With Thomas Jackson being the best example in Southern or Northern officer corps. And Southerners more committed to their faith and Constitutional principle in general than Northerners.

Nevertheless, real revival in the hearts of many Northerners and Southerners was evident during this period. Some came to know the God of their fathers. Others realized an awakening of a long-standing commitment to Christ.

If American history "Debunkers" refuse to acknowledge the truth that there has been ebb and flow of morality in America and their was a time when, in most ways, America was morally superior to today, They take away the hope that we can return to the values of those days.

we shouldn't repeat the evil---and there was much! We should reestablish the good!

Americans have had always to deal with the sin nature of man. But God Himself has provided an antidote.

You may like the film or not. Gustibus non disputandum!

May God call our nation back to Himself!

Regards,

TMc.


7 posted on 02/25/2003 4:04:21 AM PST by TFMcGuire
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To: BlueLancer
Hood wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer but he was tough to the end.

The fighting in Franklin ended for the most part in the taking of the town.

I believe he lost an arm and a leg when the war was over. No man could give more except with his life.

8 posted on 02/25/2003 4:28:23 AM PST by johnny7 (“All they gotta do is throw rocks down on us!” -John Bell Hood... 1863)
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To: TFMcGuire
And Southerners more committed to their faith and Constitutional principle in general than Northerners.

Nonsense. Northern generals were every bit as committed to their faith and their understanding of the principles of the Constitution as the southern generals were. Oliver Howard was but one example.

9 posted on 02/25/2003 4:31:59 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: johnny7
The fighting in Franklin ended for the most part in the taking of the town.

The fighting at Franklin ended for the most part with Hood's army dead on the field. They never took Franklin.

10 posted on 02/25/2003 4:33:29 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: johnny7
The Army of Tennessee pretty much bypassed Franklin after the attack, trying to cut Thomas' army off during its retreat to Nashville, coming close a couple of times but, through miscommunication and incompetency in intermediate commanders, never quite accomplished it.

Nashville destroyed what was left.

11 posted on 02/25/2003 4:41:39 AM PST by BlueLancer (Der Elite Møøsenspåånkængruppen ØberKømmååndø (EMØØK))
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To: BlueLancer
...coming close a couple of times but, through miscommunication and incompetency in intermediate commanders, never quite accomplished it.

Pretty much sums up the war for the Army of Tennessee.

12 posted on 02/25/2003 4:46:09 AM PST by flying Elvis
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To: Non-Sequitur
You just can't stand it, can you? You and Walt...trolls to the core.
13 posted on 02/25/2003 4:50:09 AM PST by rebelyell
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To: Non-Sequitur
Personally, I think men on both sides were very committed to both religiion and good government. It is very hard not to be when you are pondering the life and death of friends all around you. Also, the atmosphere of sitting around a campfire brings out a tendency for philosophical discussion in us all, I observe.

As far as Constitutional principles are concerned, the North vs. South discussions and differences were relatively equivalent to those discussed in the Federalist Papers, with good arguments and moral principles on both sides.
14 posted on 02/25/2003 4:52:32 AM PST by AFPhys
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To: TFMcGuire
And Southerners more committed to their faith and Constitutional principle in general than Northerners.

Southerners were more committed to their faith by fighting to keep other humans in bondage?

They were more faithful to the Constitution by trying to destroy the country?

Bull hockey!

15 posted on 02/25/2003 4:58:45 AM PST by metesky (My retirement fund is holding steady @ $.05 a can.)
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To: rebelyell
You just can't stand it, can you? You and Walt...trolls to the core.

Can't stand what? That Hood threw away his army in a senseless frontal assault on the entrenched Union lines? That he caused the deaths of 6 confederate generals including Patrick Cleburne? That Franklin cemented Hood's reputation as one of the worst army commanders on either side? What?

16 posted on 02/25/2003 5:14:31 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
When you breech the town defenses, the point is moot. You took the town! The Union did this.

Hood then moved towards Nashville... with the Union ahead of him.

17 posted on 02/25/2003 5:21:50 AM PST by johnny7 (This space saved for debate.)
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To: Fledermaus
I attended a summer program at Mary Baldwin college in Fredericksburg Virginia in 1977. We had guest speakers on various topics every night. The one I'll never forget was a Civil War historian who brought letters written by soldiers, Union and Confederate, to their families back home. We were outside in an amphitheater in the woods, listening to words that could have been written in those same words, by boys no older than we were.

We heard the ghosts, and they were much more eloquent than we could ever be.
18 posted on 02/25/2003 5:37:58 AM PST by mommybain
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To: Non-Sequitur
Sorry to offend your sensibilities, but, "Ain't so."

You stretch to list Oliver Howard as an example of which there were many--including the highest leadership-- in the South.

Also, Argue all you want, But a fight against secession was not defending the Constitution---However glad many of us may be that the Union was ultimately not dissolved.

I am a Yankee, by the way (But my shoes are off right now).
19 posted on 02/25/2003 5:43:41 AM PST by TFMcGuire (Either you're an American or you're a liberal)
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To: JohnHuang2
...the misapprehension that the soldiers of the Civil War were a species of preachers, their minds ever fixed on higher things and inclined to drone on about the higher things in embarrassingly poetic speeches.

I know it's been around, but it's worth repeating in light of the comment above.

July the 14th, 1861 Washington D.C.

My very dear Sarah:

The indications are very strong that we shall move in a few days -- perhaps tomorrow. Lest I should not be able to write you again, I feel impelled to write lines that may fall under your eye when I shall be no more.

Our movement may be one of a few days duration and full of pleasure -- and it may be one of severe conflict and death to me. Not my will, but thine O God, be done. If it is necessary that I should fall on the battlefield for my country, I am ready. I have no misgivings about, or lack of confidence in, the cause in which I am engaged, and my courage does not halt or falter. I know how strongly American Civilization now leans upon the triumph of the Government, and how great a debt we owe to those who went before us through the blood and suffering of the Revolution. And I am willing -- perfectly willing -- to lay down all my joys in this life, to help maintain this Government, and to pay that debt.

But, my dear wife, when I know that with my own joys I lay down nearly all of yours, and replace them in this life with cares and sorrows -- when, after having eaten for long years the bitter fruit of orphanage myself, I must offer it as their only sustenance to my dear little children -- is it weak or dishonorable, while the banner of my purpose floats calmly and proudly in the breeze, that my unbounded love for you, my darling wife and children, should struggle in fierce, though useless, contest with my love of country?

I cannot describe to you my feelings on this calm summer night, when two thousand men are sleeping around me, many of them enjoying the last, perhaps, before that of death -- and I, suspicious that Death is creeping behind me with his fatal dart, am communing with God, my country, and thee.

I have sought most closely and diligently, and often in my breast, for a wrong motive in thus hazarding the happiness of those I loved and I could not find one. A pure love of my country and of the principles have often advocated before the people and "the name of honor that I love more than I fear death" have called upon me, and I have obeyed.

Sarah, my love for you is deathless, it seems to bind me to you with mighty cables that nothing but Omnipotence could break; and yet my love of Country comes over me like a strong wind and bears me irresistibly on with all these chains to the battlefield.

The memories of the blissful moments I have spent with you come creeping over me, and I feel most gratified to God and to you that I have enjoyed them so long. And hard it is for me to give them up and burn to ashes the hopes of future years, when God willing, we might still have lived and loved together and seen our sons grow up to honorable manhood around us. I have, I know, but few and small claims upon Divine Providence, but something whispers to me -- perhaps it is the wafted prayer of my little Edgar -- that I shall return to my loved ones unharmed. If I do not, my dear Sarah, never forget how much I love you, and when my last breath escapes me on the battlefield, it will whisper your name.

Forgive my many faults, and the many pains I have caused you. How thoughtless and foolish I have oftentimes been! How gladly would I wash out with my tears every little spot upon your happiness, and struggle with all the misfortune of this world, to shield you and my children from harm. But I cannot. I must watch you from the spirit land and hover near you, while you buffet the storms with your precious little freight, and wait with sad patience till we meet to part no more.

But, O Sarah! If the dead can come back to this earth and flit unseen around those they loved, I shall always be near you; in the garish day and in the darkest night -- amidst your happiest scenes and gloomiest hours -- always, always; and if there be a soft breeze upon your cheek, it shall be my breath; or the cool air fans your throbbing temple, it shall be my spirit passing by.

Sarah, do not mourn me dead; think I am gone and wait for thee, for we shall meet again.

As for my little boys, they will grow as I have done, and never know a father's love and care. Little Willie is too young to remember me long, and my blue-eyed Edgar will keep my frolics with him among the dimmest memories of his childhood. Sarah, I have unlimited confidence in your maternal care and your development of their characters. Tell my two mothers his and hers I call God's blessing upon them. O Sarah, I wait for you there! Come to me, and lead thither my children.

Sullivan

20 posted on 02/25/2003 5:45:08 AM PST by mommybain
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