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Raised Middle Finger Is Ancient Gesture
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Posted on 02/23/2003 11:03:46 AM PST by Dallas

Experts who have studied the history of the raised middle finger -- and there are a few out there -- have found written references to it as far back as ancient Greek and Roman times. The gesture's sexual meaning has always been roughly the same, and it has always been considered rude.

Those findings, the experts say, debunk a common legend that "flipping the bird" got its start at the Battle of Agincourt in 1415. As that story goes, the victorious British supposedly raised their middle fingers after the French threatened to chop off the middle digits of captured English soldiers. But experts say there is no written proof of the story.

Widely publicized displays of the middle finger have increased in recent years -- in some cases, with little consequence to the bird-flipper. But that wasn't always the case, as comedian Jackie Mason learned the hard way.

In 1964, Mason was banned from "The Ed Sullivan Show" -- and for a time, network television appearances -- after he appeared to flip the bird on live, national TV. Sullivan was livid. Mason denies he made the gesture.

There was, however, no mistaking the middle finger that Vice President Nelson Rockefeller gave in 1976. A now infamous photo -- shocking in its day -- shows him smiling widely as he returned the bird to student demonstrators in Binghamton, N.Y.

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Sources: "The Finger: A Comprehensive Guide to Flipping Off"; Urban Legends Reference Pages; The Associated Press archives.




Is the Middle Finger Losing Its Badness?




Even more than a decade later, Laura Kremp is still a little shocked at the gesture her mom made when a man driving a big, ol' Cadillac cut them off in a mall parking lot. "She flipped the guy the bird!" Kremp says, laughing at the childhood memory.

Flashing the middle finger was the ultimate insult when Kremp was growing up, or at least -- with its vulgar, sexual connotation -- a very naughty thing to do.

These days, "the bird" is flying everywhere -- and, in many instances, losing its taboo status, especially among the younger set.

Celebrities use it. Star athletes all but flaunt it. Even small children occasionally raise a grumpy middle finger in a world where Ozzie and Harriet have been replaced by Ozzy and Sharon, the foul-mouthed, bird-flipping parents from the MTV reality show, "The Osbournes."

Some say the finger's prevalence is a sign of just how desensitized we've all become to our own crassness.

"It's just another example of the drift further and further into the culture of disrespect," says David Walsh, president of the National Institute on Media and the Family, a Minneapolis-based nonprofit that monitors popular media. "It's part of the shift from 'Have a nice day' to 'Make my day.'"

Others, however, wish we'd all just loosen up. The middle finger doesn't always carry the same meaning to everyone, they say.

Kremp -- now 24 and a creative director at a communications training firm in suburban Philadelphia -- still could never imagine her mother becoming a regular bird-flipper, for example.

But she sees plenty of other people using it, to express displeasure at anything from a frozen computer screen to a referee's questionable call or that driver who's riding your tail on the highway.

And, she says, its meaning isn't always negative: "It can be done out of excitement, joy -- or if you finally found the perfect pair of shoes to go with a new outfit."

Often, the middle finger is used among friends, either to tease or express mild annoyance, says Matt Meyers, a 23-year-old New Yorker who works as an administrative assistant at a bank.

To him, it's "more general symbol of, 'Shut up' or 'You're an idiot.'"

Matt Patterson, a Los Angeles writer who co-authored the tongue-in-cheek book "The Finger: A Comprehensive Guide to Flipping Off," agrees that today's middle finger has many nuances.

But context still matters, he says, noting that "a finger given in anger is another story" -- particularly for celebrities.

That means actress Cameron Diaz might get away with posing, middle finger extended, for an Esquire magazine photo, as she did last year. She might even seem "edgy" or "cool" to some.

But singer Britney Spears found herself apologizing to Mexican fans last summer after they thought she flipped them off. (Spears says the gesture was intended only for aggressive paparazzi who were hounding her for photographs.)

New York Giants tight end Jeremy Shockey was fined $10,000 after he threw ice and gave the finger to fans in San Francisco during a recent playoff game.

And late last month, Indiana Pacers forward Ron Artest gave the Miami crowd both barrels as he backed away from the foul line after hitting a free throw. He was suspended for four games.

The lesson here: Don't flip off the fans.

"It's the idea that 'I'm paying to watch you, how dare you do that to me!'" says Bill Savage, a lecturer in Northwestern University's English department whose expertise includes popular culture.

Since fans are the ones paying the bills, "there will always be some crackdown from the power structure," he says.

Outside of sports, however, Savage says TV networks' habit of beeping out foul language and blurring middle fingers -- including on "The Osbournes" -- is mostly for show.

"There's an aspect of American culture that's about appearances, rather than reality," he says. "If you beep something, you appear as though you're being a moral guardian."

Meanwhile, MTV sells Osbourne T-shirts and posters with several family members openly extending their middle fingers -- "There goes the (expletive) neighborhood," one T-shirt reads.

Still, even some parents wonder if critics are taking the gesture -- one that historians say has been around since ancient Greek times -- a bit too seriously.

Simon Bloomberg, a newspaper columnist in Nelson, New Zealand, recently wrote about his 6-year-old son giving the finger to another boy who'd stuck his tongue out in a supermarket parking lot.

When asked about it, Bloomberg said he wasn't worried.

"The kid who poked out his tongue at my son was just delivering the kiddies version of the finger anyway," Bloomberg said in an e-mail interview. "So he probably deserved to get the real McCoy fired back at him."

In the end, even some people who use the bird a lot hope it stays rude and crude.

That includes The Amazing Johnathan, a comedian who regularly flips off his audiences. Earlier this month, he hosted a media event at a Las Vegas hotel -- complete with a giant middle-finger ice sculpture. He seemed pleased that its presence made hotel officials squirm a little.

"Whenever people get used to it," he says, "then it won't be fun to do anymore."

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Martha Irvine can be reached at mirvine(at)ap.org


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1 posted on 02/23/2003 11:03:46 AM PST by Dallas
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To: Dallas
"There was, however, no mistaking the middle finger that Vice President Nelson Rockefeller gave in 1976."

I always have admired Rockefeller for returning the protestor's salute so cheerfully.

That, and for his dying "in the saddle."

2 posted on 02/23/2003 11:08:26 AM PST by billorites
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To: Dallas
It was once common to cut off the middle finger of your enemys captured archers making it hard to draw their bow.

Flipping the bird was one way to show you were still a danger to your enemy.

3 posted on 02/23/2003 11:13:16 AM PST by Newbomb Turk ("when I was in junior high school, everyone wanted to be a Knight", KNIGHTS RULE!...)
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To: Dallas
The middle finger was used by the Aztecs to plant corn in the 12th century...Thus when one extended that finger it was recognized as the universal symbol for prosperity and rebirth. As corn began to loose its value in the corn trading scandals in the late 1300s the middle finger likewise became a sign of derision and scorn.
4 posted on 02/23/2003 11:24:35 AM PST by woofie
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To: Newbomb Turk
In quite a few countries a "thumbs up" sign is considered just as vulgar and for the same reason.

They would often cut off the thumb of captured swordsmen. No thumb means you can't handle a sword anymore.

5 posted on 02/23/2003 11:24:53 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Sometimes "peace" is another word for surrender.)
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To: Dallas
Is the Middle Finger Losing Its Badness?

The guy I flipped off in traffic last Friday didn't seem to think so.

6 posted on 02/23/2003 11:28:31 AM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Saddam eats worms.)
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To: Dallas
The finger still can provoke outrage. In the 1990s, some yo-yo company (really, they make yo-yos) tried to air an "edgey" commercial to sell yo-yos to teens and it consisted of a bunch of gen-Y kids flipping the bird (as a sign of what finger to use to launch the yo-yo).

The ad was pulled.

7 posted on 02/23/2003 11:29:32 AM PST by weegee
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To: Dallas
There's something almost fundamentally offensive about the finger.. It's kinda like nodding the head or the 'I dunno' type shrug of the shoulders.
8 posted on 02/23/2003 11:30:01 AM PST by Monty22
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To: Dallas
Whenever someone gives me the midle finger, I ask them if that is their IQ, sperm count or # of friends they have besides their dog.
9 posted on 02/23/2003 11:31:18 AM PST by winodog (I fear the monkey in your soul.)
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To: Dallas
And, she says, its meaning isn't always negative: "It can be done out of excitement, joy -- or if you finally found the perfect pair of shoes to go with a new outfit."

I've never seen this usage but then I've never been that excited about shoes.

10 posted on 02/23/2003 11:32:02 AM PST by weegee
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To: Dallas
F!#K it!!
11 posted on 02/23/2003 11:32:18 AM PST by Porterville
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To: Dallas


Vice President Nelson Rockefeller 
gestures to a group of student 
demonstrators, who were making 
similar gestures. (AP Photo)

12 posted on 02/23/2003 11:35:39 AM PST by Spiff
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To: winodog
You are too clever. What if it's a genius woman with no pets?
13 posted on 02/23/2003 11:37:27 AM PST by Williams
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To: Dallas
Even the kids are using it earlier and earlier every generation...


14 posted on 02/23/2003 11:38:28 AM PST by Chad Fairbanks ("As God as my witness.....I thought Armadillos could fly")
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To: billorites
I love Don Imus story of how Nelly died. His mistress not knowing how to release his turgidity because she didn't know how his weiner pump worked. Left him with an upside down newspaper and his shoes on the wrong feet.
15 posted on 02/23/2003 11:42:02 AM PST by Joe Boucher
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To: Dallas
That includes The Amazing Johnathan, a comedian who regularly flips off his audiences. Earlier this month, he hosted a media event at a Las Vegas hotel -- complete with a giant middle-finger ice sculpture. He seemed pleased that its presence made hotel officials squirm a little.

In January AJ (that's the initials for jackass backwards) had pretty much the same comment when he was roasted by Penn and Teller. The skit had Penn remove a sheet made to resemble the Shroud of Turin and revealed a naked Teller dressed as the crucified Christ receiving simulated oral sex from a male midget dressed as an angel.

Some people like to create outrage signifying nothing.

Roast Attendees Take Umbrage With Stunt By Penn & Teller -article on their sacrilegious stunt

"This was performance art," said Johnathan, who moves to a new, open-ended run at the Flamingo on Saturday. "I know that Penn is a practicing atheist, and I agree with him that Christianity can be dangerous. Look at the Trade Center. That was done in the name of religion."

16 posted on 02/23/2003 11:45:11 AM PST by weegee
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To: Dallas
One of my kids was about 10 or 11, he came running to me and said that his older brother "swore at him with his finger"!! LOL!
17 posted on 02/23/2003 11:46:50 AM PST by Exit148
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To: Dallas
The man in black would like to weigh in on this issue:


18 posted on 02/23/2003 11:48:24 AM PST by weegee
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To: Dallas
To him, it's "more general symbol of, 'Shut up' or 'You're an idiot.'"

As in, "Hey, Looney Clooney..."

19 posted on 02/23/2003 11:51:18 AM PST by weegee
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To: Spiff
It’s nice to see that the East Coast moderate Republicans had some fight in them at one time.



20 posted on 02/23/2003 11:51:23 AM PST by dix (.)
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