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For Liberals, It's Morning in America: Shock jocks are the progressive answer to Rush Limbaugh
Slate.com ^ | 02/21/2003 | Marc Fisher

Posted on 02/21/2003 11:45:34 AM PST by GeneD

Anita and Sheldon Drobny are generous Chicagoans who have deployed their fortune on behalf of musical theater, abused children, Jewish studies programs, and the campaigns of William Jefferson Clinton. Now, they've decided that the best use of 10 million of their dollars is a grand effort to rid America of the curse of one-sided talk radio. Like many liberals, the Drobnys are puzzled: How can it be that in this great land where Lincoln and Douglas debated the future of the Union, the radio emits only the right-wing ravings of conservative loudmouths such as Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Michael Savage, and on and on?

For 20 years now, good libs have been conducting their very own American Idol talent search, scouring the nation for talkers to counter the conservative hegemony over the AM airwaves. Goodness, they tried Mario Cuomo, and that fiery Jim Hightower, and that nice man Bill Press, and all those other Crossfire refugees. Not a one of them clicked.

It's always fun to watch millionaires flush their riches away, but really, Mr. and Mrs. Drobny, save your $10 mil. Your effort to bring your brand of American politics to the masses by putting Al Franken and a bunch of other unfunny lefties on the air is doomed because it's based on four premises, three of which are utterly false:

1) Talk radio is an important piece of pop culture and thus of political America. You got that one right. The No. 1 morning radio show in most big cities has more listeners—way more—than The Tonight Show has viewers. And that morning show, in most cases, is a talk show. But it's not Rush or even Dr. Laura and her pinched morality. No, it's the guys liberals and conservatives alike deride as "shock jocks": frivolous, foul-mouthed, fabulously popular—Howard Stern, Chicago's Mancow, and their more overtly political cousins, Don Imus and the morning mayor of black America, Tom Joyner.

2) The huge corporations that control most of radio want to feed only Republican ideas to pliant American ears. Oh, please. People like the Drobnys and Hillary "Vast, Right-Wing Conspiracy" Clinton hear Limbaugh as a rock-ribbed Republican. But to radio executives, he's Jeff Christy, which was his on-air name in the '70s, when Rush was a Top 40 jock whose shtick even then involved the "Excellence in Broadcasting" network and a lot of table-thumping. The suits at Clear Channel and other big radio companies don't care if Rush is conservative or liberal, a Rhodes scholar or a mental midget. They want ratings—period. "The job of a talk host is to get you riled up and establish absolutes, because only an absolute point of view produces phone calls, which are really hard to generate," says Walt Sabo, the radio consultant who is the architect of "hot talk," the seemingly nonpolitical talk heard on FM stations. What talkers say hardly matters; how they say it is everything. Those who succeed follow the dictates of Top 40 radio: Move fast, connect with the essential minutiae of listeners' daily lives, hit listeners' emotional core, and never get in too deep. Attach any politics you want, but the format stays the same. If you don't do radio, watch David Letterman's TV show. It's the classic Top 40 format—bits, jingles, constant motion—transferred to the screen.

3) The big gap in talk radio is between left and right. Wrong. The gap is between men and women. Older, conservative men listen to AM talk. Younger, more liberal men listen to FM talk. What talk-radio execs can't figure out is how to attract women. Dr. Laura and a handful of other advice yakkers pick up some middle-aged women, and NPR's talkers skim off the high-end demographic. But the vast majority of American women still use the radio mostly for music and a bit of news. Put your money into cultivating new forms of talk for women, and you're far more likely to hit pay dirt than with this cockeyed liberal notion.

4) Talk radio is inherently conservative because liberal ideas are just too complex for the simplistic medium. Nonsense. Talk isn't conservative or liberal. Scratch almost any successful radio talker, and you'll find a former Top 40 DJ who has repurposed his quick-lipped skill at dispensing shreds of meaning, moving from music to talk while remaining in the loyal service of his twin masters—the clock and the spots. Content is secondary. These guys are on the radio because they are storytellers and showmen. Their heroes are not Churchill, JFK, or Reagan but Jean Shepherd, Larry Lujack, and Dan Ingram—the legendary radio yakkers and jocks they listened to as shy boys alone in their rooms.

AM talk—Rush, Dr. Laura, Hannity—targets middle-aged white guys. Surprise: They tend to be conservative. But FM talk—Stern, Joyner, Mancow, Don and Mike in Washington, Tom Leykis in Los Angeles—scores with young men, guys who like their radio on the risqué side, with a bulging menu of sex jokes and a powerful message that this is America and you can do whatever you want. Hint to Democrats: You may not like to admit this, but these are your voters.

Yes, they like it raunchy. Most people listen to radio alone in their cars, where no one needs to be PC, where it's still OK to insult women and minorities and foreigners, and no one has to fear being slapped with a harassment charge. And it's OK to chuckle at that coarse humor and still vote Democratic. The PC brigades may find this hard to believe, but shock jocks do quite well with black listeners and with traditional Democratic demographics, such as college graduates and city dwellers. No, Stern and Don Geronimo and Tom Leykis have no interest whatsoever in having Dick Gephardt on the show, at least not unless he's going to remove his pants. And no, they would say, there's no politics on their shows. (Sabo tells DJs who want to be talk-show hosts: "If the topic is national politics, abortion, gun control, death penalty, religion, race, we have no interest. If the topics are movies, TV, personal relationships, your strong personal feelings, stuff about the workplace—things people under 90 talk about, we'd love to hear your tape.") But even if Stern wannabes don't address abortion directly, their daily diet of searingly intimate conversation with callers hits many of those hot-button issues, and they do it almost unfailingly from a left-libertarian perspective—they are classic social liberals.

Shock jocks are this country's progressive talkers, ranting for hours on end on behalf of civil liberties, sexual freedom, the rights of the little guy against the nation's big corporations and institutions (and—sorry, Dems—against affirmative action). They may not share Limbaugh's fascination with electoral politics, but on the issues that divide this country into red and blue, they are every bit as popular and powerful as the supposedly unchallenged conservatives. Shock jocks talk about sex, television, and what's hot. They talk about what people are talking about, which, if you listen carefully, usually are exactly the same issues that determine how people vote: personal freedom, mores, economic well-being, family, what it's like to be a guy or a woman or an American right now.

If Democrats are serious about getting into radio, they need to get out of the church and into the fray, into the issues that make people shout. No one in talk radio has ever devoted a show to prescription drugs policy—no conservative, no shock jock, no one. Ever. But war and personal rights and family and choice … the audience is waiting.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: howardstern; radio; rushlimbaugh; shockjocks; talkradio
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Another case of the Slate cutes.
1 posted on 02/21/2003 11:45:34 AM PST by GeneD
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To: GeneD
Too bad they missed my favorites: Kirby Wilbur, John Carlson, Michael Medved and Mike Siegel.
2 posted on 02/21/2003 11:48:37 AM PST by Eala
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To: GeneD
and that nice man Bill Press

Ugh. The local paper (King County Journal) runs his column. Can't say who is the more dishonest, Bill Press or Al Hunt (WSJ).

3 posted on 02/21/2003 11:50:25 AM PST by Eala
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To: Eala
"Their heroes are not Churchill, JFK, or Reagan but Jean Shepherd, Larry Lujack, and Dan Ingram—the legendary radio yakkers and jocks they listened to as shy boys alone in their rooms."

No one comes close to Jean Shepherd in my book. Gotta add J.J. Jeffries and Arnie "Woo Woo" Ginsburg to the list as well.

4 posted on 02/21/2003 11:55:13 AM PST by billorites
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To: GeneD
The author of this has obviously never actually listened to Mancow...he's pretty obviously to the right of center politically and does bring up political issues.
5 posted on 02/21/2003 11:56:10 AM PST by John H K
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To: GeneD
There's some very interesting information here about talk radio demographics, listeners, etc.

What isn't mentioned is that there is a very good reason why most of those "shock jocks" are on in the morning while most of the conservative hosts are on at other times of the day. Morning radio listeners generally dislike hearing serious political discourse because of the time of day and the harried nature of the morning commute.

I'd also venture to guess that if you listed the listeners all of the talk radio hosts in the U.S. according to their voting habits, you'd find that "shock jock" listeners are the most ignorant about politics and are the least likely to vote in any election.

What a scathing indictment of the Democratic Party -- the key to their success is to convince ignorant people to vote.

6 posted on 02/21/2003 11:57:43 AM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: John H K
Isnt Howard Stern fairly right of center when it comes to politics?
7 posted on 02/21/2003 11:59:13 AM PST by Sabretooth (Cant wait for MPPA to pass in MN.)
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To: GeneD
"4) Talk radio is inherently conservative because liberal ideas are just too complex for the simplistic medium."

What a load. If anything, it's the opposite. With a 3-hour show, Rush can discuss an issue a hell of a lot more completely than someone with a 30-min TV show. The main difference between Radio and TV is that TV has a visual factor. How is that needed to explain an issue?

I've said it before and I'll say it again: A liberal talkshow won't survive until they can find someone who can entertain, not just repeat the liberal party line.

Oh, and on the subject of shock jocks, OPIE AND ANTHONY RULE!
8 posted on 02/21/2003 11:59:56 AM PST by Sofa King (-Do the world a favor: BOMB FRANCE)
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To: GeneD
Weak premise. The shock jocks (and their audience) tend to be libertarians, not "progressives".
9 posted on 02/21/2003 12:00:21 PM PST by Maximum Leader (run from a knife, close on a gun)
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To: Eala
Gee, I wonder where you live?

KVI used to be my radio station of choice. No longer. I still listen to Rush on KVI, but otherwise now listen to KTHH.

Kirby Wilbur, although an awfully nice guy, has a little too much lowbrow emotional enthusiasm. I find he is wearing after a while. IMHO, he came across an awful lot better when he was on at night.

John Carlson is also good (but I am annoyed with him for how stupidly he ran his campaign for governor, that I think he could have won, and certainly should have done a lot better). However, he competes now with Savage, and Savage is just too entertaining.

The big switch came for me when KVI kicked Michael Medved off its station. IMHO, he is every bit as good as Rush, maybe even more intelligent, and culturally better connected.

10 posted on 02/21/2003 12:01:01 PM PST by TheConservator (Homines libenter quod volunt credunt.)
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To: billorites
Add Joel Sebastian doing a live Mr. Norm ad on WLS to the list.
11 posted on 02/21/2003 12:03:29 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: GeneD
What is so "progressive" about the Left's tendency to revert to animals?
12 posted on 02/21/2003 12:05:18 PM PST by JoJo Gunn (Help control the Leftist population. Have them spayed or neutered....)
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To: GeneD
This warning will be for naught. Drobny and the other Democrats are obsessed with Rush Limbaugh. ("Ten million people, day in and day out! On our airwaves! We must take back what is ours!" I can hear them say.) I look forward to seeing them pour their money - and it will be their own money for a change - down this rat hole.

A couple months ago Dr Walter Williams was filling in for Rush, and if that weren't good enough his guest was Dr Thomas Sowell. Best hour of radio I've ever heard. Great stuff.

13 posted on 02/21/2003 12:05:46 PM PST by redbaiter
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To: Sabretooth
He supported Gore in 2000...Howard Stern is hard to pigeon hole...he trashes the Kennedys and likes some RINO type politicians but that is what I gleaned from listening years ago. I haven't listened recently.
14 posted on 02/21/2003 12:06:05 PM PST by xp38
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To: Alberta's Child
Stern is a Libertarian more than a 'progressive.
15 posted on 02/21/2003 12:07:43 PM PST by Leto
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To: redbaiter
A couple months ago Dr Walter Williams was filling in for Rush, and if that weren't good enough his guest was Dr Thomas Sowell. Best hour of radio I've ever heard. Great stuff.

Hear, hear. I wish that Dr. Williams would consider doing a regular talk show rather than just filling in for Rush over the holidays.

16 posted on 02/21/2003 12:10:23 PM PST by jejones
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To: GeneD
No, Stern and Don Geronimo and Tom Leykis have no interest whatsoever in having Dick Gephardt on the show, at least not unless he's going to remove his pants.

Well, then, maybe instead of Dick Gephardt they should solicit invitations for Bill Clinton or Ted Kennedy.

17 posted on 02/21/2003 12:10:38 PM PST by steve-b
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To: Leto
I don't know about other areas of the country, but in the New York market I can say that despite Howard Stern's high ratings, the demographic profile of his listeners must be abysmal because he's got a bunch of low-rent advertisers on his show.

Don Imus, on the other hand, generates more advertising revenue than Stern even though Stern has three times more listeners.

18 posted on 02/21/2003 12:10:40 PM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: Sabretooth
The only thing right of center to Howard is girls naked breasts. What a jerk.
19 posted on 02/21/2003 12:12:22 PM PST by MadelineZapeezda
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To: Sabretooth
Isnt Howard Stern fairly right of center when it comes to politics?

Generally. This author really doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

Stern has regularly had Guiliani on the air. He has also had Bloomberg, Whitman, and Pataki on, and endorsed them all. (RINOs, I know, but certainly not liberal Dems.)

In addition, he totally supports Bush and the war on terror and Iraq. And he’s vocally pro-gun, being one of the few lucky individuals in NYC with a right to carry permit.

There is certainly political talk in there, in between the deformed midgets and the strippers.

20 posted on 02/21/2003 12:13:27 PM PST by dead
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