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Thanks for 'Gods and Generals': Michael Medved's open letter to Ted Turner
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Friday, February 21, 2003 | Michael Medved

Posted on 02/20/2003 10:40:32 PM PST by JohnHuang2

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To: JoJo Gunn
Uh, excuse me, but you didn't say if you and your family have cancelled all the products and services offered by these companies, their subsidiaries and their advertisers. You may want to write all the advertisers just so they'll know you don't have a power outage and the mail hasn't quit running.
21 posted on 02/21/2003 12:40:43 AM PST by doglot
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To: nutmeg
bump
22 posted on 02/21/2003 12:41:47 AM PST by nutmeg
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To: DoughtyOne
As much as I despise Turner, I will be seeing this film soon, appreciating that he put a financial stake into the film. The chances he will make a dime out of this epic effort are very slim, and truth be told, I will be far happier that he earn money with this film than I am about how he earned most of the remainder of his fortune.
23 posted on 02/21/2003 12:45:22 AM PST by AFPhys
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To: AFPhys
Sometimes people you don't like have you over a barrel. Sheesh!
24 posted on 02/21/2003 12:53:05 AM PST by doglot
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To: doglot
Look, if you take cable you're going to get some Turner channels. Unless you wish to give up on the other seventy channels or more, you have to put up with it. We don't have to go see Turner's movie.
25 posted on 02/21/2003 4:03:21 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Freeper Caribbean Cruise May 31-June 6, Staterooms As Low As $610 Per Person For Entire Week!)
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To: DoughtyOne
Tuner is complex and speaks before he thinks. He is international in his vision, but has little expertise on how marxism can hijack his vision.

I pray for him, that he gets his soul healed.
26 posted on 02/21/2003 4:33:58 AM PST by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: Russell Scott
...even if KKK Byrd gets a cameo...

Maybe they should have Senator Byrd play Nathan Bedford Forrest in the sequel. Or would that be typecasting?

27 posted on 02/21/2003 4:38:00 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: LadyDoc
Ted has been a long time worshiper of Fidel Castro. I don't think Marxism is going to hijack anything. I think it does play an important role in Ted's plans though. How a guy can gain as much as Ted has by capitalism, yet salivated at the thought of Castro exploits escapses me.
28 posted on 02/21/2003 5:23:44 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Freeper Caribbean Cruise May 31-June 6, Staterooms As Low As $610 Per Person For Entire Week!)
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To: JohnHuang2
We'll be at the first showing today...have waited a long time for this movie . You can get the soundtrack cd (special edition) which also includes a dvd with outtakes of the movie, and 2 music videos.
29 posted on 02/21/2003 6:38:32 AM PST by let us cross over the river
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To: DoughtyOne
NO SALE here either.
Even though it looks good..just the thot that TT had ANYthing to do with it causes me to say HELL NO
30 posted on 02/21/2003 8:35:14 AM PST by BIOMAN
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To: JohnHuang2
If Medved likes the movie I probably will too, based on past viewings of movies he has reviewed.

FWIW, the movie critic of the Florida Times-Union,(Jacksonville) panned the film in today's issue. He said it was boring,overly long and he didn't like Steven Lang's portrayal of Stonewall Jackson, all positions diametrically opposed to Michael Medved's review. I will go see it and judge for myself, as usual, but I do generally agree with Medved's reviews.

We'll see what happens. I am in a Civil War frame of mind having visited the Olustee re-enactment here in Lake City last week-end.

31 posted on 02/21/2003 8:44:25 AM PST by oldsalt
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To: DoughtyOne
Here I was all this time, thinking it had been made for TV.

I might watch it when it does come on.

32 posted on 02/21/2003 8:56:25 AM PST by onedoug
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To: JohnHuang2
Turner also created the first movie, Gettysburg. I disagree with those who don'see these films. Gettysburg was supurb. I've waited for this one for a long time. It looks as though it may be better than the first. There is also a third book behind "Killer Angels' and 'Gods.' I hope they make that one as well. Those who skip the film because of political reasons are missing some fine, historical work.
33 posted on 02/21/2003 9:00:09 AM PST by Types_with_Fist
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To: JohnHuang2
Interesting competition for this year's LOTR entry. It would be amusing to see a couple of good movies up for Best Picture.
34 posted on 02/21/2003 9:05:18 AM PST by js1138
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To: sheltonmac; sola gracia; greenthumb
BUMP!
35 posted on 02/21/2003 9:09:49 AM PST by Dawntreader (HHD)
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To: JohnHuang2
Here's another unintended endorsement from Boo allen of the Denton Record Chronicle:

"Boring and bloated, this sanctimonious work will appeal only to warmongers and the religious right."

36 posted on 02/21/2003 9:11:15 AM PST by The Iguana
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To: JohnHuang2
Rod Dreher of NRO speaks of the critics:

February 21, 2003 9:00 a.m.
Battle Hymn
A complex look at Civil War believers.

It's been a critical Antietam for the film Gods and Generals, which opens in theaters Friday. Ron Maxwell's Civil War epic got massacred by reviewers. "Turgid, textureless and endless ... history as punishment," was the Associated Press verdict, typical of so many others. "Stiff, ponderous, fluttering in its 'poetry,' and crudely simplistic as an apologia for the Confederate ideology," says Entertainment Weekly. Declaims New York Press: "It is truly a whitewash of the past."

Well. If the four-hour battlefield epic doesn't work for reviewers on an artistic level, it's hard to make a case against that kind of judgment. But the moral and political indictment of the film as a "whitewash of the past" is politically correct slander. Gods and Generals commits the unpardonable sin of depicting the Confederate generals not as prototypes of Goering and Rommel, but as noble, tragic men whose motives for fighting were complex and fully human. The movie invites understanding of the historical south, not outright condemnation, and that's something that the present age will not tolerate.

Gods and Generals, which is loosely based on the Jeff Shaara novel of the same name, concerns itself with key battles in Virginia during the first half of the Civil War. It focuses on three characters: Union Col. Joshua Chamberlain (Jeff Daniels), later a hero of Gettysburg; Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee (a stunning Robert Duvall); and most especially, Lee's right hand, Gen. Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson (Stephen Lang). While there is a great deal of battlefield action, the film takes care to show the thinking that went into each great man's reasons for fighting the war. The Southern side gets much more screen time, perhaps because Maxwell leaned toward the north in his previous film, Gettysburg.

The film is about conflicting ideas of patriotism, God, personal conscience, and history. Its basic point is that Lee and Jackson (like many southerners) fought not because they loved slavery or detested the Union, but because they felt honor-bound to defend their homeland.

What is one's homeland? To mid-19th-century Americans, most of whom never traveled more than a few miles from the place of their birth, the United States was an abstraction. In those days, it was much easier and more natural for them to feel loyalty to their state and its people. The rock singer Little Steven has a great song called "I Am a Patriot," the chorus of which captures this deeply personal sense of nationalism: I am a patriot/And I love my country/Because my country/Is all I know/I want to be with my family/With people who understand me/I got nowhere else to go.

Lee opposed secession, but once the decision was taken, it was this sense of duty that bound him to fight for the Confederacy. If you or I had been Virginians back then, how many of us would have had the courage to have gone north to fight for the Union, or even had the imagination to conceive of such a thing? What Maxwell is trying to do here is show contemporary audiences why good men would take up arms to defend a government and a culture that enslaved other men. It is for much the same reason that black GIs fought bravely in World War II for a country that still didn't guarantee them their full rights: because their homeland asked them to.

Maxwell takes a big risk in downplaying questions of race and slavery here. You can understand why he may have done this; do modern audiences really need to be told that slavery was evil? We see now how vicious and evil slavery was, but if you're trying to show audiences why Lee and Jackson behaved as they did, you're simply not going to put slavery front and center, because it didn't figure prominently in their own deliberations, certainly not compared to the centrality of the claims their native soil had on their loyalties.

Perhaps this explains why some critics find it phony that the film's two black characters, a house slave named Martha (Donzaleigh Abernathy) and a cook named Jim (Frankie Faison) relate so affectionately to whites. It's easy to see these portrayals as Confederate clichés of happy black folks watched over paternally by their masters. This would be wrong, and unfair. However paradoxical, it's simply true that whites and blacks in the south loved each other despite the structural sin in which they were mired.

Anyway, Martha and Jim both express a desire for freedom, and a clear awareness of their people's oppression. There is a lovely scene in which Jim, who prepares meals for Jackson's camp, prays under a starry sky with the general. Jackson is an extremely pious Presbyterian, and prays constantly. Standing next to Jim, with whom he is close, Jackson asks the Lord to protect Jim's family. Jim, also addressing the Almighty, prays, "How is it, Lord, that good Christian men, like some men I know, tolerate they [sic] black brothers in bondage?" The general stands next to Jim, looking heavenward, beseeching God to "show us the way, and we will follow." Jim's face falls. He knows the general, his friend and a good man, just doesn't get it.

That scene serves to illuminate a particularly tragic aspect of Jackson's character. We see him throughout the film intensely praying, seeking to do the will of God. You cannot doubt his sincerity, nor the uprightness of his character. Yet there is a blindness there, an inability to grasp that his ways are not necessarily the Lord's ways. He can be absolutely merciless. One moment he is having gentle words of prayer at the bedside of a dying soldier, and in the next breath is chillingly calling for the total slaughter of the enemy. He is both tender and ruthless — again, a paradox, but a very human and very believable one.

Religion is an integral part of Gods and Generals, particularly on the southern side. Lee and Jackson are forever talking about God's will — Jackson at one point refers to his men as "the Army of the Lord," as he is about to execute deserters — but don't seem much troubled by the question as to whether or not their cause is just in His eyes. Jackson is a true Christian Stoic, believing that man's role was to be largely passive as the will of God worked itself out through history. His conception of God was austere and tribal, as in the Old Testament. Jackson thought God ordained slavery for inscrutable reasons, but in time would end it, if that was His will. Man's role is to wait on God, and accept everything he sends to us.

A convinced Calvinist, Jackson believed God had predestined each man to die on his appointed day. "My religion teaches me that I am as safe in battle as in bed," he says here. "That is the way all men should live, then all men would be equally brave." Yet this same noble conviction that allowed him to bear misfortune with equanimity also kept his conscience untroubled in the face of the unspeakable cruelty of slavery.

By contrast, the god of Col. Chamberlain is the more universalist and egalitarian vision we see in the New Testament. Chamberlain here gives voice to a vision of a God who expects His followers to act as His agents to bring justice to the world. If that should mean war, then we must make sure the ends we're fighting for justify the suffering war will entail. Unfortunately, Chamberlain's view, which I'm guessing is Maxwell's, gets short shrift in the film. Nevertheless, Chamberlain has a good monologue in which he explains that even though slavery has always been with mankind, it is intolerable, and if he has to die to "end this curse and free the Negro, then God's will be done."

There were tremendous historical consequences from this clash of religious visions. A soldier in battle must believe God is on his side in order to bear the pain and suffering of war, yet there is great danger in presuming that the Almighty endorses your actions. He is infinite; we are finite. Gods and Generals is filled with challenging theological questions, but the movie appears to have struck historically and theologically illiterate reviewers as showing little more than a bunch of Bible-thumping rednecks sitting around talking about Jesus while fighting to keep the slaves back on the plantation.

Maxwell told me he made Gods and Generals "without judgment of that generation" of men who fought the Civil War. It wouldn't have been true to history to make a film depicting a simplistic conflict between good and evil. Slavery was completely indefensible, but there was more to that war and the men who fought it than race hatred.

"It's easy to judge [antebellum southerners] because of slavery," Maxwell said. "At the same time we should recognized that they were incredibly faithful people, of incredibly strong fiber. We've descended from those people, and we can take solace from that."

Solace? Maxwell seems to have no use for the au courant idea that all decent people, southerners in particular, must repudiate and be ashamed of their ancestors to be morally and socially acceptable. Brave man. He'll pay.

37 posted on 02/21/2003 9:21:52 AM PST by The Iguana
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To: Pyro7480
Does he even own all this anymore, or is it just a part of the AOL-TimeWarner behemoth? I think the latter.

As such, it matter less. As we now know, Ted Turner is not more nor less Liberal and anti-American than 80% of Hollyweird. But he does have a bit more money to throw around.
38 posted on 02/21/2003 10:05:34 AM PST by WOSG
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To: onedoug
I will watch it when it comes to television, because it does interest me. It looks good and I've heard that it was.
39 posted on 02/21/2003 10:11:09 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Freeper Caribbean Cruise May 31-June 6, Staterooms As Low As $610 Per Person For Entire Week!)
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To: JohnHuang2
I heard the director, Ron Maxwell, interviewed by Les Kinsolving once (during the production of this film). Maxwell stated that it was right for the city of Gettysburg to take down the tourist tower (i think it was done through eminent domain).

Much as I hated that tower, it was not right for the City of Gettysburg to do that.

A more PC guy you won't find.

40 posted on 02/21/2003 10:15:01 AM PST by sauropod (It's OK to drive an SUV if it helps you get babes.....)
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