Democrat Targets .50 Caliber Revolver for Nationwide Ban

CNSNews.com ^ | February 17, 2003 | Democrat Targets .50 Caliber Revolver for Nationwide Ban By Michael L. Betsch

[Taxman]

I'm waiting for a rifle chambered for this big puppy!

[3D-JOY]

Sorry I missed this last night. I would have had a smile on my face as I went to sleep!!

Funny you said this. Actually they gave me a Dodge Stealth after I was widowed. They seemed to think I needed to get more "Sporty" than the old Lincoln Town Car with motorized wheel chair and electric lift would reflect. LOL

You now see, I do owe them a great deal!

He even has and shoots a Black Powder rifle so I know this would be a nice addition.

[3D-JOY]

I understand the "glare"!

My family always said it was the "tone of voice" that scared them enough to run for the bathroom!

You are so right about the guns just being an excuse and a rallying point against anyone who dares to have and speak about our principles, or their lack of them.

[Rebelbase]

Crime rates would drop if sawed off 12ga. were legal.

[Taxman]

Where did you find the stats for the S&W .50 Mag?

[archy]

I'm waiting for a rifle chambered for this big puppy!

I'm thinking more along the lines of a nice short handy little brush carbine, maybe based on an over/under .410 or 28-gauge shotgun action, with barrels of around 20 inches in length. There are certainly some interesting possibilities for a lever-action repeater too, and the action of the Marlin M444 is a likely possibility, and certainly strong enough.

But I'm not waiting. I'll build my own, or at least I'll give the over-and-under a good try. It may take a couple of months before chambering reamers are available, but I know just the folks to ask.

Hmmm, scope sights, or not. We shall see....

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[archy]

I haven't seen the ballistics of the new S&W .50....

500 S&W Magnum, 265 grain Barnes jacketed Softpoint bullet, velocity 1665 FPS; energy 1688 Ft Lbs [presumably with the 10-inch factory barrel]

With the heavier 400 grain Hawk JSP bullet, [sounds like a bear/moose load!] 1675 FPS, energy 2500 Ft Lbs.

And for those more inclined toward traditional lead projectiles, this very modern cartridge looks to be very suitable for that approach as well: with a 440 grain hard cast flatnose bullet [wonder if it'll be SASS- competition legal *in the spirit of the game*?] velocity is reported as 1625 FPS, with a reported M.E. of 2580 Ft. Lbs.

All info taken from Cor-Bon factory available loadings.

I'm really waiting for the Glaser safety slug for these things....

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[.577 Tyrannosaur]

Here's something even better: http://www.accuratereloading.com/577tyr.html

As for the proposed ban, all I have to say is that Danny Davis is a delusional idiot... Typically liberal, in other words.

[Taxman]

I was thinking along the same lines.

I've owned a nice shooting Marlin lever action carbine chambered in .357 Mag w/a 4x Weaver scope for over 30 years. It is so nice that I would immediately purchase the same rifle chambered for the .500 S&W Mag.

WTH, everybody needs an elephant gun in their gun safe, don't they?

I envy your ability to manufacture your own rifle. Please post your progress in words and pictures.

[Taxman]

Thanks for the lead. Interesting site.

Eternal Vigilance is required if we are to defeat the likes of Davis and his LIEberal/Socialist/Marxist Bastard crowd.

[wku man]

Man, my wrist and hand hurt just looking at those brutes!

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

[.577 Tyrannosaur]

Here's a fitting reply...


www.armedfemalesofamerica.com/newgunban.htm

THE BIRTH OF A NEW GUN BAN
The gun bigots want to ban the new S&W 500 Magnum

By Nicki Fellenzer

Letter to Rep. Danny Davis (D - IL)

Dear Congressman Davis:

Well, once again, just when I thought politicians couldn't get any more cowardly, any more irrational, and any more tyrannical, you have proven me wrong.

Your unreasonable hand wringing at the sight of a mere handgun would be amusing if it weren't so dangerous to the freedoms of every law-abiding citizen in this country. Yes, I'm talking about your frothing, overzealous race to ban the 500 Magnum revolver days after Smith & Wesson introduced it at a trade show in Florida.

Within days you and those who wield your leash at the Brady Center and the VPC have initiated feeble, wretched bleatings about these new revolvers being a "threat to law enforcement" and the "weapon of choice" for inner city gangs. Within days of the gun's unveiling you began demanding justification for its role in society and its "need" to those who choose to purchase it. And within days, you've initiated a smear campaign about the dangers of this firearm to human beings, even though no human being has ever been harmed by one of these weapons.

What I can't figure out is: are you weak, stupid or a pathetic and dangerous combination of both?

Let me explain something to you, SIR (and I use that term loosely) - no one owes you an explanation or a justification for a purchase they choose to make. NO ONE! Much like we don't need to justify our purchase of a sports car, a 4 carat diamond or a luxurious new mink coat to you or to any of your tyrannical pals in Congress, law-abiding citizens don't need an excuse or written permission from your beloved nanny government to purchase a weapon with which to target shoot, hunt or simply defend ourselves. Simply put - it's none of your business!

Your gutless bellyaching about this gun's "purpose in society" is little more than the whine of a petulant, would-be tyrant, who doesn't understand the meaning of "freedom," doesn't appreciate the responsibility that comes with his power and holds the needs of the many sacred over the needs of the individual. You were recently quoted in an online article as saying, "It's hard for me to rationalize any particular need or purpose" for the 500 Magnum. "I think guns are made to kill people. That's my opinion." Well allow me to let you in on a little secret, Mr. Davis - we, the law abiding citizens of the United States don't give a rat's ass about your opinion. You weren't elected to legislate your opinions. You weren't elected to pass laws to alleviate your irrational fears. You were elected to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic, and to bear true faith and allegiance to the same…" Did you forget your oath, Mr. Davis? Did you forget your solemn pledge to uphold the Law of the Land - all of it, and not just the parts you agree with? Do you understand the gravity of the oath you took? It means your unreasonable phobia about guns, your irrational terror of an armed populace and your misguided misconceptions about a certain firearm take a back seat to the law. The Constitution doesn't care how scared, unsure or misinformed you are about firearms, and neither do the people you represent.

You seem to have forgotten, Mr. Davis - you were elected by the people. You work for them. You represent them. They are not your subjects, and you are not their ruler. If the law-abiding citizens you represent in Congress see it fit to make a purchase, be it a 500 Magnum or a AK-47, you have no moral, ethical or legal obligation to limit their freedom to do so simply because you're scared or uncomfortable.

But just to put your little worried mind at ease…

This gun is large - no, I mean LARGE. Its barrel alone is over eight inches long. It's like a .44 on Viagra. It weighs over four pounds. It's hardly concealable, has a powerful recoil, and, ergo, would hardly be the choice of criminals from whom you shrink in terror. The idea that such a cumbersome weapon would be a threat to law enforcement is as idiotic as it is false. Criminals prefer a weapon they can easily conceal, not one that would make them look as if they're hiding a cricket bat in their pants.

This gun is expensive. Do you really think gang-bangers will blow $1,000 on a handgun they can't effectively hide and whose recoil will likely knock their 17 year old butts to the ground, when they can just as effectively victimize you with a .38?

Of course, you don't have to worry about that, do you, Mr. Davis? You have guards to protect you - guards who wield weapons of power, some with more power than you fear from the 500 Magnum. So you don't really have to worry about defending your life, since you have taxpayer-funded bodyguards who do it for you.

These same taxpayers who provide protection for your cowardly rear end are the ones you're trying to disarm. Do you recognize the obscenity of this arrangement?

I'll tell you the truth, Mr. Davis. Some people who purchase this weapon will use it for hunting. And yes, they do hunt with handguns, and your denial of this fact does not negate the reality of its existence. Some people who purchase this firearm will do it to have a neat new weapon with which to shoot targets. And some will buy it to protect their homes and their families from assailants. But whatever the reason they make this purchase, government maggots like you need to keep their interfering noses out of their business. The gun is not the threat to you, but the criminal is. Concentrate on those who break the law, and leave the rest of us alone.

Sincerely,

Nicki Fellenzer


(Found on ar15.com.)

[archy]

I envy your ability to manufacture your own rifle. Please post your progress in words and pictures.

I'll share that and gladly. But the techniques and abilities required are pretty basic hand and machine tool operation, and most anyone with a little time and more patience can learn to do so well enough to at least modify existing equipment to suit personal or custom requirements, at least on individual examples.

I envy those with the imagination to assemble seperate functions into one elegant package, creating their own designs, borrowing from the most suitable of the old combined with their own methods of overcoming mechanical problems, and adding in more modern materials and working technologies. That's really neat.

[Blood of Tyrants]

Hoo-Rah!

[Taxman]

LOL! That letter is a keeper!

Methinks the Congressman done pi$$ed the lady off!

She sounds like a SASsy FReeper Woman! My kinda lady!

[Taxman]

Sounds to me as if youhave already thought this one through, and have designed an "elegant package."

[Pagey]

Asked if the 500 Magnum's predecessor, the .44 Magnum faced the same criticisms and threats by politicians upon its introduction in 1955, Pratt said the controversy over Smith and Wesson's latest offering appears to be a sign of the times. "It was all sort of good clean fun when it was introduced, but we're 20 years further along the gun-hating sensitivity training," Pratt said. "We're talking about the frame of mind that opposes concealed carry by private citizens."

Oh and that Rep. Danny Davis is a Big Illinois Baby. Someone vote that piece of dirt out of office,will you please? He's probably never held a gun in his life. In all seriousness,he shouldn't be allowed to either with that type of thinking.

[hoosierham]

As far as mobs, this new 50 cal pistol should STOP them quicker.

[archy]

Sounds to me as if youhave already thought this one through, and have designed an "elegant package."

I have a fair idea of a niche among my own uses that I think such a package might nicely fit, and have a couple of ideas about existing platforms upon which something usable might be arranged, From there. it's just a matter of keeping in mind that form follows function, and all I have to do is simplicate and add lightness.

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[ninenot]

The people who elected these idiots have what they deserve. Too bad they foisted them off on the entire country in the process.