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Fascist Pigs!
The Weekly Standard ^
| 2/17/03
| Fred Barnes
Posted on 02/17/2003 7:19:52 AM PST by chiller
Demonstrations over the weekend show the left's dedication to preserving murderous, dictatorial regimes--no matter what the cost.
THERE WAS A TIME--the 1960s, 1970s--when the political left in America favored wars of national liberation in countries ruled by dictators, some of them fascist dictators. True, the left would have installed communist dictatorships in their place. But at least leftists targeted enemies who were corrupt, brutal abusers of human rights.
Now the left has flipped. The effect of its crusade against war in Iraq would be the survival--indeed, the strengthening--of Saddam Hussein's oppressive regime. The left has brushed aside the pleas of Iraqi exiles, Kurds, and Shiite Muslims who are seeking liberation from Saddam's cruelty. Instead, leftists have targeted those who would aid the Iraqi dissidents, particularly the Bush administration.
The corruption of the left has deepened in recent years. At no time was this more evident than last Saturday when large antiwar protests were staged in New York, San Francisco, and other cities in the United States and around the world, including London. Did the demonstrators march on the Iraqi consulate in New York to demand an end to Saddam's murderous practices? No. Did they spend time condemning him in their speeches and placards? Nope. Did they come to the defense of Saddam's victims? No. The left now gives fascist dictators a pass. Its enemy is the United States.
No one has explained this better than British prime minister Tony Blair in a speech Saturday. If he took the antiwar demonstrators advice, Blair said, "there would be no war, but there would still be Saddam. Many of the people marching will say they hate Saddam. But the consequences of taking their advice is he stays in charge of Iraq, ruling the Iraqi people . . . There will be no march for the victims of Saddam, no protests about the thousands of children that die needlessly every year under his rule, no righteous anger over the torture chamber which, if he is left in power, will be left in being."
In ignoring the 25 million Iraqis who suffer under Saddam's autocratic rule, the left has stripped any moral dimension from the antiwar cause. And its arguments for opposing a war of liberation in Iraq are either uninformed or merely stupid. Here are a few of those arguments:
(1) War will mean thousands of civilian casualties. If there's anything Saddam has produced in his nearly 25 years of rule in Iraq, it's civilian casualties. He ordered the gassing of thousands of innocent Kurds. He had thousands of Shiites murdered. His war against Iran caused tens of thousands of civilian casualties, and his invasion of Kuwait was marked by the killing of thousands of Kuwaiti civilians. Saddam has personally ordered the execution of thousands of Iraqis. He has allowed thousands of Iraqi children to die from starvation or lack of medicine.
Compare that with the few hundred civilians killed in Afghanistan by the U.S. military. In fact, the American intervention saved hundreds of thousands who would have starved to death otherwise. And in the 1991 Gulf War relatively few Iraqi civilians were killed. In truth, a war that deposes Saddam in Iraq will save civilian lives, thousands of them.
(2) It's a war for Iraqi oil. There's an easy way to get all the oil in Iraq that President Bush or anyone else might desire--and it's not war. No, the easy way is to lift sanctions on Iraq and make a deal with Saddam. He's eager to sell the oil and make money. And the United States doesn't need Iraqi oil anyway, what with Russian oil production coming on line. At the moment, America's problem is the cutoff of oil from Venezuela. A war for oil would oust President Hugo Chavez of Venezuela. Of course there is no such war planned, nor is there one to cut the price of oil. The price favored by Bush and the domestic oil industry--and producers like Saudi Arabia--will be restored when Venezuela is pumping fully again, probably soon.
(3) War in Iraq will stir a new wave of terrorism. We've heard this one before. The Gulf War, it was warned, would arouse the Arab street and subject Americans to a wave of attacks. That didn't happen. When the United States went into Afghanistan and, worse, bombed during Ramadan, it was supposed to prompt a worldwide uprising of Muslims, and Muslim terrorists in particular, against America. Again, that didn't happen. So when the Arab leader most hated by other Arab leaders--a leader who's far more secular than Muslim, is removed, it's highly unlikely to cause more terrorism. Most likely, the result will be less.
(4) Give the inspectors more time. This was a common cry at Saturday's antiwar demonstrations. But of course those cries were entirely disingenuous. By definition, the "stop the war" protesters don't want war, no matter what the United Nations inspectors in Iraq happen upon. The demonstrators are playing Saddam's delaying game: Let the inspections continue until support in the United States for military action in Iraq dissolves and war is averted. Then Saddam survives. The inspections ploy is further proof the left has given up wars of national liberation against oppressive dictators and is now in the business of saving oppressive dictators from wars of national liberation.
TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: antiwar; iraq; sadda
You're with US, or you're with a brutal dictator. Which is it?
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posted on
02/17/2003 7:19:53 AM PST
by
chiller
To: chiller
Fred Barnes has been really great on Fox and this just adds to it. I love how he doesn't mince words!
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posted on
02/17/2003 7:21:29 AM PST
by
PhiKapMom
(Bush/Cheney 2004)
To: chiller
It's not that the lefties are against war, it's just that ist wasn't their idea, and they are contrary just to be contrary. It is pure and simple, a lack of maturity.
If we want the support of the left wingers on this war, we will have to oppose the war ourselves, find a way to make the babies think it was their idea, and then go along with it like they have a great idea. (That's how my wife makes me think I'm the boss.)
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posted on
02/17/2003 7:28:26 AM PST
by
Blue Collar Christian
(Okie by proxy, raised by Yankees, temporarily Californian)
To: chiller
Bump.
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posted on
02/17/2003 7:30:09 AM PST
by
Rocko
To: chiller
THERE WAS A TIME--the 1960s, 1970s--when the political left in America favored wars of national liberation in countries ruled by dictators, some of them fascist dictators. True, the left would have installed communist dictatorships in their place. But at least leftists targeted enemies who were corrupt, brutal abusers of human rights. Now the left has flipped. The effect of its crusade against war in Iraq would be the survival--indeed, the strengthening--of Saddam Hussein's oppressive regime. That's because socialism is only one step away from communism, and communism is only one step away from fascism. Sure Communism are on supposedly opposite ends of the political spectrum, but they are all part of the same animal. The political spectrum isn't necessarily a spectrum, but a continuum. It behooves us to stay on the opposite end of the continuum from socialism, communism, and fascism, which is why our country was founded. It takes continual vigilance to keep us sliding around to the other side.
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posted on
02/17/2003 7:32:36 AM PST
by
Terriergal
(Going to war without the French is like going deer hunting without an accordion.)
To: Blue Collar Christian
It's not that the lefties are against war, it's just that ist wasn't their idea I agree with your assessment of the left. However I think part of the reason it wasn't their idea is because, simply, they don't care about any people other than themselves.
(That's how my wife makes me think I'm the boss.)
Shhhh! Don't give away women's secrets! ;-)
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posted on
02/17/2003 7:34:09 AM PST
by
Terriergal
(Going to war without the French is like going deer hunting without an accordion.)
To: Blue Collar Christian
It's not that the lefties are against war, it's just that ist wasn't their idea I agree with your assessment of the left. However I think part of the reason it wasn't their idea is because, simply, they don't care about any people other than themselves.
Let me clarify this a bit ---
If someone threatened *their* lifestyle (e.g. Christians preaching against it) they would be the first to endorse unconstitutional action against them.
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posted on
02/17/2003 7:35:14 AM PST
by
Terriergal
(Going to war without the French is like going deer hunting without an accordion.)
To: chiller
a) Saddam is America's enemy
b) The left's enemy is Western Civilization, embodied by America
c) The enemy of my enemy is my friend
d) Therefore, Saddam is the left's friend
The left would support Satan himself if it would undermine western civilization. They would craft signs saying:
"No War for Brimstone!"
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posted on
02/17/2003 7:35:21 AM PST
by
Uncle Miltie
(Islamofascism sucks!)
To: chiller
The so-called Left opposition is merely the tool of French capital. It opposes America, not for the ideals of justice, brotherhood and equity; but for the state financial interest of France and its dubious allies. This will, no doubt, rankle the hirsute idealists when they discover how they've been cynically deployed in their function as 'useful idiots'.
;^)
To: chiller
If Beltway Buttboy Barnes' heart bleeds so much for opressed people, especially those people opressed by tyrants who own "WMD's", then he should immediately start lobying the White House and DEMAND that we regime-change such dangerous commie Hells as North Korea (Nukes, Missiles, Chems, Bios) and Red China (Nukes, Missiles, Chems Bios).
Iraq is small fries any way you look at it, including the degree to which it's opressing its people. Want to get rid the world of REAL Hells? Then start by eliminating N Korea and libearting Tibet.
To: headsonpikes
The so-called Left opposition is merely the tool of French capital. It opposes America, not for the ideals of justice, brotherhood and equity; but for the state financial interest of France and its dubious allies. But... why would the Vatican oppose the war? Be careful, if you say 'anti-semitism' then you would admit that this entire commotion mainly serves Israel's interests.
To: chiller
"The left now gives fascist dictators a pass. Its enemy is the United States." BTTT
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posted on
02/17/2003 7:48:28 AM PST
by
Uncle Miltie
(Islamofascism sucks!)
To: A Vast RightWing Conspirator
"...why would the Vatican oppose the war?"
Possibly for idealistic reasons.
And possibly because they're heavily invested in French and German financial instruments.
What's anti-semitism got to do with anything?
Blood is red; sh*t is brown; and money is green.
We're all brothers. ;^)
To: Terriergal
... give away women's secrets!
We men all know this secret, but do to lack of maturity, it still works. ;^)
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posted on
02/17/2003 7:56:06 AM PST
by
Blue Collar Christian
(Okie by proxy, raised by Yankees, temporarily Californian)
To: chiller
And its arguments for opposing a war of liberation in Iraq are either uninformed or merely stupid.That describes the left in general.
To: headsonpikes
Just as true today..
Michael Kelly
September 26, 2001
Pacifists are not serious people ~ Pacifism is objectively pro-Fascist.
Pacifists are not serious people, although they devoutly believe they are, and their arguments are not being taken seriously at the moment. Yet, it is worth taking seriously, and in advance of need, the pacifists and their appeal.
It is worth it, first of all, because the idea of peace is inherently attractive; and the more war there is, the more attractive the idea becomes. It is worth it, secondly, because the reactionary left-liberal crowd in America and in Europe has already staked out its ground here: What happened to America is America's fault, the fruits of foolish arrogance and greedy imperialism, racism, colonialism, etc., etc. From this rises an argument that the resulting war is also an exercise in arrogance and imperialism, etc., and not deserving of support. This argument will be made with greater fearlessness as the first memories of the 7,000 murdered recede. It is worth it, thirdly, because the American foreign policy establishment has all the heart for war of a titmouse, and not one of your braver titmice. The first faint, let-us-be-reasonable bleats can even now be heard: Yes, we must do something, but is an escalation of aggression really the right thing? Mightn't it just make matters ever so much worse?
Pacifists see themselves as obviously on the side of a higher morality, and there is a surface appeal to this notion, even for those who dismiss pacifism as hopelessly naive. The pacifists' argument is rooted entirely in this appeal: Two wrongs don't make a right; violence only begets more violence.
There can be truth in the pacifists' claim to the moral high ground, notably in the case of a war that is waged for manifestly evil purposes. So, for instance, a German citizen who declined to fight for the Nazi cause could be seen (although not likely by his family and friends) as occupying the moral position. But in the situation where one's nation has been attacked--a situation such as we are now in--pacifism is, inescapably and profoundly, immoral. Indeed, in the case of this specific situation, pacifism is on the side of the murderers, and it is on the side of letting them murder again.
In 1942, George Orwell wrote, in Partisan Review, this of Great Britain's pacifists:
``Pacifism is objectively pro-Fascist. This is elementary common sense. If you hamper the war effort of one side you automatically help out that of the other. Nor is there any real way of remaining outside such a war as the present one. In practice, `he that is not with me is against me.'''
England's pacifists howled, but Orwell's logic was implacable. The Nazis wished the British to not fight. If the British did not fight, the Nazis would conquer Britain. The British pacifists also wished the British to not fight. The British pacifists, therefore, were on the side of a Nazi victory over Britain. They were objectively pro-Fascist.
An essentially identical logic obtains now. Organized terrorist groups have attacked America. These groups wish the Americans to not fight. The American pacifists wish the Americans to not fight. If the Americans do not fight, the terrorists will attack America again. And now we know such attacks can kill many thousands of Americans. The American pacifists, therefore, are on the side of future mass murders of Americans. They are objectively pro-terrorist.
There is no way out of this reasoning. No honest person can pretend that the groups that attacked America will, if let alone, not attack again. Nor can any honest person say that this attack is not at least reasonably likely to kill thousands upon thousands of innocent people. To not fight in this instance is to let the attackers live to attack and murder again; to be a pacifist in this instance is to accept and, in practice, support this outcome.
As President Bush said of nations: a war has been declared; you are either on one side or another. You are either for doing what is necessary to capture or kill those who control and fund and harbor the terrorists, or you are for not doing this. If you are for not doing this, you are for allowing the terrorists to continue their attacks on America. You are saying, in fact: I believe that it is better to allow more Americans--perhaps a great many more--to be murdered than to capture or kill the murderers.
That is the pacifists' position, and it is evil.
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posted on
02/17/2003 10:43:31 AM PST
by
buffyt
(HOW MANY FRENCHMEN DOES IT TAKE TO GUARD FRANCE? NO ONE KNOWS, IT HAS NEVER BEEN TRIED!)
To: buffyt
"That is the pacifist's position, and it is evil."
BUMP!
To: buffyt
I have always argued that the ONLY POSSIBLE WAY that a pacifist could even remotely hope to claim any real morality and integrity for their position is if they actively interposed themselves between the agressor and his vicitm, putting their own lives on the line in the extremely slim hope that their non-violent resistance to the aggressor might somehow dissuade the aggressor from proceeding. By failing to do this, their hypocrisy, cowardace, fraudulence, and utter evil become manifestly obvious. To be sure, there have been a very few pacifists who actually have had the integrity to do this, but they are a tiny, infinitessimal minority.
Pacifists do not "turn the other cheek", they "look the other way." Far from being superior in their morality over the rest of us, they are exceptional in their evil depravity.
Pacifists are the equivalent of people who, seeing an arsonist set fire to a building, assemble on the street and block the fire department from coming on the scene to fight the fire -- all the while chanting that "fire is a bad thing."
To: Blue Collar Christian
It's not that the lefties are against war, it's just that ist wasn't their idea, and they are contrary just to be contrary. It is pure and simple, a lack of maturity.
I would that it were so positive and innocent.
These people are against America. It isn't that it wasn't their idea, it's that it doesn't damage America in some way, shape or form, be it, reputation, reliability, economic hardship, military preparedness, or loss of patriotism nationwide.
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posted on
02/17/2003 3:10:26 PM PST
by
Maelstrom
(To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
To: Maelstrom
Don't you just want to thumb "em like bugs?
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posted on
02/17/2003 3:20:43 PM PST
by
Blue Collar Christian
(Okie by proxy, raised by Yankees, temporarily Californian)
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