Officials warn: Terror threat is 'significant'

USA Today ^ | 2/11/03 | Mimi Hall and Jack Kelley

[oceanperch]

I just bookmarked a big govt. copy from another thread on emerg. preparedness. Would that help?

[The Great Satan]

Paul Krugman, leftist NYT commentator. Poster is talking out of his ass.

[oceanperch]

Oh...there usaully one doing that on every thread....

[oceanperch]

09-11-01 What day of the week was it?

Today is 02-11-03

[oceanperch]

JMO I think red is reserved for when we actually are hit in the Homeland.

Just my thought no facts.

[livius]

Pinging you to backhoe's excellent new posting that assembles a mountain of emergency preparedness sites and info:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/840488/posts

[Tamzee]

In the mind of a dedicated islamist, it could be a good day to launch the 2nd wave. I hope I'm totally wrong.

Hi.... I really hope you are wrong, too. Getting a bit nervous reading this thread. I live about an hour west of NYC, have 2 children, plus hubby is going to be on business just outside Washington, DC for the next 3 days. :-( Don't mean to offend, but I REALLY, REALLY hope you are wrong...

[Oldeconomybuyer]

09-11-01 What day of the week was it?

Tuesday.

[Tamzee]

Just thought of some good news, though... I'm surrounded by masses of liberals. Since they think this is all hogwash, there should be plenty of batteries, water, etc, left at the grocery store :-)

[NautiNurse]

09-11-01 What day of the week was it?

Tuesday--just like today.

[oceanperch]

Thank you.

CNN just did a news story on the same subject. Not as detailed of course.
I never bought into the Y2 but this seems to be wise in any situation manmade or natural.

[oceanperch]

Thanks. Greenspan is heading to the hill this morning to put in his two cents.

Good Nite I normally sleep days so I will pray that rest will bring a new uneventful sunny day here on the beautiful Central Oregon Coast when I get up in the afternoon.

[TrappedInLiberalHell]

JMO I think red is reserved for when we actually are hit in the Homeland.

In that case, it would be utterly appropriate that it be red, the color of a barn door.

[RobFromGa]

you need new tinfoil. this batch has started to receive too much interference.

[judicial meanz]

reference your question on sheltering in place, hope this information helps-

The air conditioning feeds to your safe room should be shut off, plastic wrapped and duct taped over, and sealed. Any method air can use to enter the room from the outside is a possible source of contamination, including floor vents too, and should be all sealed.

That includes doors, windows, etc, and sheeting them with plastic and duct taping any place air can come into the room. Essentially you are making it airtight.

It isnt required to seal it forever, because CBRN weapons disperse after some time in the open air with wind currents and all that. I would stay put until I heard an all clear on the radio, heard movement outside. Basic rule-chem weapons are heavier than air, bio weapons may or may not be, and binary weapons ( doubt they have them) are a toss up.

Another thing to consider is that CBRN weapons are heavier than air- most of the time, but not all. Some are engineered to float for longer periods of time, like the Anthrax right after the 9-11 attacks.

Mostly they will sink to the lowest level of the terrain. Listen to the news to see what the "Hang time" of the agent is, and let that help you make the decision to leave your shelter. I personally would avoid taking shelter in a low lying room, but thats my choice. You have to choose your own area, and I am sure you have.

In World War I, soldiers who got mustard gassed usually got it from taking shelter in a trench or crater wher the gas had accumulated after an attack, as well as from the initial attacks. Always remember pockets can exist, especially if it is chemical weapons, in low lying areas or terrain depressions after an attack.

The air shouldnt run out in a safe room before you get the all clear to leave. You will probably have about 1-2 days of air in that room for a family of 4.

[section9]

It is a delicate question. I do not believe we will be confronting Saddam head-on any time soon. There are things we could do militarily that would leave him with something to play for. For example, we could relatively easily dismantle Iraq, seizing the territory under the North and South No-Fly zones. That would still leave the central strip of the country, which includes Baghdad, as a rump for Saddam to play for. If and when we move, I'm convinced that the strategy will be "outside-in," as in Afghanistan, whatever propagandistic leaks to the contrary you might read. But I still think it's most likely that the current round of brinksmanship will end with some kind of elevated inspections regime rather than an invasion. That may even be secretly coordinated with France, Germany and Russia. I find it especially intersting that Russia seems to be on board with France and Germany. It's true that Russia is a traditional ally of Iraq, and that all these countries have every reason to be afraid of Iraq's WMD. But I haven't seen any anger at Putin from Bush. That suggests to me that a lot of what is going on between the US and its erratic allies is theater. The stakes are very high here. The United States cannot afford to look weak even if, in the current situation, Saddam has us by the balls. We will go to some lengths to create the impression that it is Bush who is the "tough cop" here, even if the desired end result is gradually increased isolation of Iraq, on a timescale commensurate with our capability to build up our civil defnses against the threat he presents.

First, I disagree with the entire foundation of your analysis. Saddam does not have us by the balls. We have him by the balls, and we intend to kill him.

You are proceeding from the assumption that Saddam has secreted in smallpox or anthrax distributors into the United States and that that is Saddam's deterrent. I assert that many of the steps that have been taken have been enough to counter Saddam's possible "deterrent". The smallpox stocks have been built up and cipro is all over the place.

Here's how I know that you are wrong.

Bush has drawn the sword. The present diplomatic crisis is a result of France and Germany trying to assert power within the EU. It is a distraction, but not enough of one to derail the military campaign. When you draw the sword, as Bush has done, you must use it. Otherwise, the world returns to the environment as it was after the fall of Saigon.

One does not key up the heavy divisions, the 101st Air Assault, the Air Force, five carrier battle groups, and force a bunch of friends (Blair, the Spanish, the Israelis, the Italians, the Turks, the Kuwaitis, the Jordanians, the government of Qatar) out on a limb only to saw it off and say, "Sorry fellas. We didn't mean it..."

That's not the way the world works. Bush made his decision to go in late last year, if not earlier. The entire diplomatic dance is simply noise, no more, no less.

As to Russia, Bush isn't mad at Putin because Putin is a neutral, with no claim of fidelity to the United States. He is doing a fine job of positioning Russia so that it might be an "honest broker" in the wake of the invasion, and more trusted by the oil states of the Arab League. Bush and his people understand that, and know that Russia will be a player in the future.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

[BullDog108]

TGS is gonna be wiping a lot of egg off of his face in two weeks. After he pulls his foot out of his mouth...

[Timeout]

So now I'll add a chair or step ladder to my list so I can reach the ceiling to tape over the vent. Sure hope I never have to do this.