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Scientists Flood The Flagellum Engine
Creation-Evolution Headlines ^ | 2/10/03 | Creation-Evolution Headlines

Posted on 02/10/2003 12:41:03 PM PST by CalConservative

Scientists Flood the Flagellum Engine   02/10/2003
Japanese researchers have found that flagella, the whiplike propellers that make bacteria swim, can get flooded with too many protons if the pH is lowered inside, reports Nature Science Update.  Like a flooded car engine, the motors come to a stop.  But they can run fine again if the artificially-induced pH change is reversed.  The article concludes by discussing the functional specifications of these molecular machines:

“This is a motor with quite remarkable properties,” says Robert Macnab of Yale University in New Haven, Connecticut, who studies the assembly of bacterial motors.  “It runs like a battery, moves like a ship’s propeller, has a gear switch so it can rotate in either direction, and it’s under the control of information from environment.  These are biological functions at their most simplified form, and yet there are 60 different types of components in this little engine.”
Kendall Powell explains the interest in these motors: “Researchers are keen to understand such chemically driven biological motors, which are only millionths of a millimetre across, as electronics do not work on this scale.”
The bacterial flagellum has become the unofficial mascot of the Intelligent Design movement, since the publication of Darwin’s Black Box and the film Unlocking the Mystery of Life.  And not without cause; this article does nothing to explain how evolution could produce such a molecular machine.  It doesn’t even broach the subject.  On the contrary, it underscores the point that this is an irreducibly complex system.  Macnab claims there are “60 different types of components in this little engine.”  See the picture in the article, and consider also that many bacteria have more than one propeller – this species appears to have eight – that work in coordinated movement.  In addition to all the complexity of each individual flagellum, having a system of eight requires fast signalling across the interior.
    This is just one of many molecular machines in the cell that argue for intelligent design.  As Bruce Alberts has said, “Indeed, the entire cell can be viewed as a factory that contains an elaborate network of interlocking assembly lines, each of which is composed of a set of large protein machines.”  Many of these structures are just as amazing, and more so, as the flagellum.  For a few examples, see the spliceosome, RNA polymerase, and ATP Synthase.  Another article posted yesterday on EurekAlert uses the word “machine” seven times as it discusses “an intricately complex protein machine” that adjust the connections between neurons.


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To: Buckeye Bomber
bb...

And f.Christian is now my Grendel

fC...

talk about the dark age ==== black (( block head )) age .. .. ..

Evolution is -- full on -- brainwashing (( redacting // deleting -- HATING conservatism )) and . . .

indoctrinating // programming LIBERALISM -- LOVING lies // bias all through America // society ! ! !

All unashamedly on the FR too ==== "fraud // corruption" ==== UNADULTERED tyranny // blasphemy !


61 posted on 02/12/2003 9:35:11 AM PST by f.Christian (( Orcs of the world : : : Take note and beware. ))
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To: whattajoke
Did god put those processes in place and leave it alone, or is he governing them 24-7?

Good questions, as I have often wondered this myself. My son (7 years old) asked me the other day as well. I will tell you the same thing I told him: I have no idea.

However, if I were to bet on it, I would say that He continues to influence life on Earth in ways we don't fully understand yet.

Regards, MM

62 posted on 02/12/2003 9:44:46 AM PST by Michael_Michaelangelo
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo
I have no idea.

MM, thank you. This admission is far more than most bible literalists and creationists will ever supply. I say it all the time, and most people should say it more often as well. Have a good day.
64 posted on 02/12/2003 10:13:27 AM PST by whattajoke
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To: whattajoke
Computer science really is easier than biological sciences. You don't have to wait months for a protein to crystallize. The lab doesn't smell of standard nutrient agar or foul metabolic byproducts of bacteria growing in the incubator. Mike Karels graduated with a degree in Microbiology from Notre Dame. He went to U.C. Berkeley and became the Chief Principal Programmer in charge of the 4.3 BSD UNIX system. A current colleague at work is an MD. He teaches database classes at Wright State in Ohio and does database contracting with my company. Malpractice insurance premiums put him out of the medical business.

The new, hot field for those of us with CS and bio backgrounds is computational biology. There is also room for modeling new enzymes. You can design a protein and use the computer to predict the folding geometry. It is necessary to specify the temperature and pH. The MD in my group does special computational biology procedures for the pharmaceutical industry.

65 posted on 02/12/2003 10:22:34 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: rmmcdaniell
I will ask again, where/what/who is your creator?

I'd introduce you to Him, but unfortunately we'd have to see to it that you died in order for you to actually see Him. I don't think you'd appreciate that (the timing would be bad), and He would not be happy with me if I helped you along.

Perhaps you could convince yourself to seek Him out; He promises to help out. I don't think that's very likely though; you seem pretty dead set against that. I guess you'll have to wait for the worms to find out for yourself . . .

66 posted on 02/12/2003 10:51:09 AM PST by BraveMan
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To: PatrickHenry
Recipricol placemarker.
67 posted on 02/12/2003 2:31:52 PM PST by Junior (The New World Order stole your tag line)
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To: whattajoke
You'd think our blue buddy would know this by now, since he's been told a hundred times or so...

LBB is a troll, plain and simple. He hasn't uttered anything new in two years. He has made a number of other errors besides the Nobel Prize snafu: he claimed circles were not ellipses; he claimed all the planets had "wildly eliptical orbits; that chimpanzees had tails; and so on. He won't ever admit he's screwed up (a sure sign of a troll) and when backed into a corner will attempt to have the thread locked or yanked (he's succeeded a number of times at this). And, with each new thread he resets his counter to zero and brings up the same old crap.

68 posted on 02/12/2003 2:43:00 PM PST by Junior (The New World Order stole your tag line)
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo
Nothing in that article refuted evolution. Indeed,

Blobel's in vitro experimental system inspired other cell biologists and, according to Graham Warren of Yale University, it "made people believe that any cellular function, no matter how complicated, can be mimicked in the test tube".

Sounds to me like chemistry, plain and simple.

69 posted on 02/12/2003 2:48:13 PM PST by Junior (The New World Order stole your tag line)
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To: Junior
Yeah, placemarker.
70 posted on 02/12/2003 3:06:20 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas)
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To: Junior
It appears as though Dr. Blobel is quite the philanthropist, renovating a church and building a synagogue in Germany with the money he received for his Nobel Prize. I would venture to guess that he will reap more personal satisfaction in return from his donation than he could ever hope to garner through his research. I think that feeling is pretty much unique to humans, don't you Junior?

On to the good stuff:

"Last month, Gunter Blobel, Ph.D., M.D., a cell biologist and a professor at Rockefeller University in New York, was awarded the Nobel Prize in Physiology - Medicine. Dr. Blobel has been involved in investigating the process by which newly-made proteins are transported across the membranes of cell structures. The accurate distribution of these proteins is vital in order for the cells to function. An understanding of this process has an important bearing on many diseases (e.g., cystic fibrosis, Alzheimer’s disease, etc.).

The work of Dr. Blobel and his associates has revealed just how the proteins are transported from the ribosomes (where they are made), to be ultimately integrated into various areas of the cell. Blobel suggests that this directional operation is analogous to a “zip code” system. A zip code system! Each newly-made protein has a “specific address” that has been “barcoded” (if we may follow Blobel’s analogy) to find its way to its special destination.

Did the “zip code” procedure of the U.S. Postal service “just happen,” or was it purposely designed? The answer is all too obvious to require expression.

Blobel’s discovery only itensifies our reverence for the amazing planning that is evidenced in the human body. Who in the world, with an ounce of common sense, can believe that this complicated process is the result of the blind forces of matter - just a “happy accident” in that mystical union between “Father Time” and “Mother Nature”?

The disciples of Darwin do!

The fact is, however, the design within the human body literally shouts, “God!”

For his discovery, Dr. Blobel has been awarded a prize of $960,000. He has stated that he plans to donate the money for the rebuilding of a church, and also a synagogue, in Germany, both of which were destroyed by the Nazis during World War II.

I mention this to call attention to the fact that one reasonably may conclude that Dr. Gunter Blobel is not an atheist. This runs counter to the infidelic claim that the world’s most brilliant folks are among the skeptics."

From here: Zip Codes

71 posted on 02/12/2003 4:58:43 PM PST by Michael_Michaelangelo
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To: f.Christian
Cut out your use of offensive terms for Mexican-Americans.

And the response to my Grendel post has amused me infinitely. Far more than your idiotic posting style.

I promised myself I'd never reply to you again. But it's just so fun.
72 posted on 02/12/2003 5:03:03 PM PST by Buckeye Bomber
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo
Did the “zip code” procedure of the U.S. Postal service “just happen,” or was it purposely designed? The answer is all too obvious to require expression.

Why is it obvious to you, but not to me? That's very interesting. You don't link to Dr. Blobel's comments on this. I'll assume there are none. I see where this argument is going. Nobel Prizes work with complicated biological systems. Complicated biological systems could not have evolved (by your logic).

Whatever, I'll repeat my previous assertions: the God of Darwin's world, who sets this beautiful world in motion and then sends His son to save us humans many millenia later is a far greater God than your micromanaging God of Genesis. Genesis doesn't glorify God. It limits him.
73 posted on 02/12/2003 5:11:13 PM PST by Buckeye Bomber
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo
My quote pasting was not very good, but I hope it was obvious I was dealing with your biology comments. if you wish to pick on my semantics, so be it.
74 posted on 02/12/2003 5:20:20 PM PST by Buckeye Bomber
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To: Buckeye Bomber
You don't link to Dr. Blobel's comments on this. I'll assume there are none.

Bad assumption.

"DR. GÜNTER BLOBEL: "It is a molecular zip code, if you wish. Very much like in the mail.""

Blobel Interview

75 posted on 02/12/2003 5:22:06 PM PST by Michael_Michaelangelo
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To: whattajoke
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A NOBEL PRIZE GIVEN FOR BIOLOGY.

The usual semantic garbage started by the dishonest Patrick Henry. Nobel Prizes are given all the time in the field of biology and that is what I asked for:

ALL NOBEL PRIZE WINNING DISCOVERIES IN THE FIELD OF BIOLOGY HAVE TENDED TO DISPROVE EVOLUTION


As I predicted when I posted it, the evolutionists would hurl insults and excuses but they would not meet the challenge.

76 posted on 02/12/2003 8:15:37 PM PST by gore3000
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To: whattajoke
I got my undergrad degree in biology,

Your handle says it all - WHATTAJOKE!

77 posted on 02/12/2003 8:16:44 PM PST by gore3000
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To: whattajoke
And the creationists get craftier still.

Hey 'biologist' - stop evading the question about the Nobel Prizes with verbiage and Christian bashing. Take up the challenge if you are really a biologist and not another phony evolutionist.

78 posted on 02/12/2003 8:19:45 PM PST by gore3000
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To: Junior
There goes Junior backing up a fellow liar in what he knows is a blatant lie. You have no shame.
79 posted on 02/12/2003 8:22:28 PM PST by gore3000
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo
The work of Dr. Blobel and his associates has revealed just how the proteins are transported from the ribosomes (where they are made), to be ultimately integrated into various areas of the cell. Blobel suggests that this directional operation is analogous to a “zip code” system. A zip code system! Each newly-made protein has a “specific address” that has been “barcoded” (if we may follow Blobel’s analogy) to find its way to its special destination.

Wonder where Ribosomes learned to read zip codes! Next, the evolutionists will say that they went to college to learn the zip codes for the new proteins needed for evolution!

Every biological advance proves more and more that evolution is a joke.

80 posted on 02/12/2003 8:25:38 PM PST by gore3000
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