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Judge Blocks Anti-war March Near United Nations (Snicker Snicker)
WINS News ^ | 2/10/03

Posted on 02/10/2003 10:11:50 AM PST by areafiftyone

(1010 WINS) (NEW YORK) The First Amendment rights of anti-war demonstrators have not been violated by the city's decision to block them from marching past the United Nations on Saturday, a federal judge ruled Monday.

Citing "this time of heightened security," U.S. District Judge Barbara S. Jones said the city's need to protect the public outweighs the right of demonstrators to proceed with plans to march past the UN.

"While the court recognizes the distinct importance of marching, the city's restriction on marching is not a restriction on pure speech, but rather a restriction on the manner in which plaintiff may communicate its message," Jones wrote.

The protesters will be allowed to demonstrate in a designated area near the United Nations. The demonstration is being organized by United for Peace and Justice, a coalition of anti-war groups that is sponsoring rallies throughout the world on Saturday.

The city had rejected a parade permit for Saturday's rally because police could not assure public safety for up to 100,000 people without better information from organizers, city lawyer Rachel Goldman argued in court last week.

"The First Amendment right is not absolute. The plaintiffs do not have a right to march or protest any way they want, wherever they want and how they want," Goldman said. "We don't have a general ban against protest marches in the city of New York."

Chris Dunn, a staff attorney with the New York Civil Liberties Union, argued that the city was using "a theoretical possibility something terrible is going to happen to cancel the right of people to participate in peaceful protest."

He accused the city of quietly adopting a blanket policy of refusing parade permits for certain parts of Manhattan.

The United Nations is considered an especially sensitive security landmark after it was included in 1993 as a target of terrorists who plotted to blow up five New York City landmarks. The plot was thwarted and a dozen men were eventually convicted and sentenced to lengthy prison terms.


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To: amused
They are never satisfied. Well lets see - they still have four days are are still in court fighting it. Alot of things can happen in four days. This is going to be a crazy up and down week for us.
61 posted on 02/10/2003 1:01:29 PM PST by areafiftyone (The U.N. is now officially irrelevant! The building is for Sale!!!)
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To: areafiftyone
They are never satisfied. Well lets see - they still have four days are are still in court fighting it. Alot of things can happen in four days. This is going to be a crazy up and down week for us.

Again I have difficulty with the issue on its face. I doubt I will ever answer the question of government restriction on assembly to my own satisfaction.

But if a group who has applied for the permit has potential protesters clamoring for more than peaceful assembly, that probably does not bode well for its case overall. NYC is worried about security and disruption. I don't see how United for Peace can dispel those fears.

Then again when is the next new moon? For all this protesting may become academic. For when America is at war there are few options available to those who dissented beforehand.

62 posted on 02/10/2003 1:08:53 PM PST by amused (Creed of the Leftist: "Freedom of speech as long as you are in agreement")
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To: Wurlitzer
Nothing's being "thrown away". They're still getting their platform and media coverage (which will be massive). However they do not OWN the city and have no right to shut it down or put its residents to unnecessary expense or inconvenience. And the city has every right to bitch about the cost and seek redress in court.

The peaceniks are having a rally, and we're having a rally. Everyone gets their "free" speech on the 15th. God Bless America, and heaven help New York.
63 posted on 02/10/2003 1:10:00 PM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: amused
The thing is, they get to hold their protest...but as I understand it, they can't march past the UN building as planned, but have to stay in front of the UN building if they want to protest that area (why they want to protest in front of the Official Terrorist Enabling Organization is beyond me)...so the question seems to be not WHETHER they can march, but WHERE.

A couple of questions:

1: several of these socialist marches have stated publically that they plan to disrupt traffick, and on the last three marches in DC they stated not only a wish to disrupt traffic, but a plan to purposly disturb the peace in order to get themselves arrested...did they mention traffic disruption and other disturbance of the peace as two goals for the NYC march?

2: How many FReeps have been relegated to certain designated areas due to security precautions? (NOT the ones where the anarchists already had the street, and FReepers needed someplace safe to counterprotest) I seem to remember that happening at several FReeps of Clinton.

64 posted on 02/10/2003 1:20:50 PM PST by cake_crumb (Without dictators, what reason would we have to keep the UN?)
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To: cake_crumb
1: several of these socialist marches have stated publically that they plan to disrupt traffick, and on the last three marches in DC they stated not only a wish to disrupt traffic, but a plan to purposly disturb the peace in order to get themselves arrested...did they mention traffic disruption and other disturbance of the peace as two goals for the NYC march?

I haven't seen much except from the odd poster over on the Dark Side(DU, bartcop etc). However the black bloc is not going to annouce their intentions on a website, though you can check for the aftermath on indynews in San Francisco. They have posted pics before. The black bloc will definitely be there and make their presence known. They will have their agents in the crowd ready to pick up stragglers to run amok, inviting police response and arrest. Any Starbucks, McDonald's World Bank or INS office had better be prepared. These morons are actually hoping for a repeat of the 68 DEM convention in Chicago as a way of bringing attention to their cause.

2: How many FReeps have been relegated to certain designated areas due to security precautions? (NOT the ones where the anarchists already had the street, and FReepers needed someplace safe to counterprotest) I seem to remember that happening at several FReeps of Clinton.

Free speech zones became a way of life during the Toon administration. Even more despicable is Planned Parenthood using RICO statues to shut down pro-lifers.

65 posted on 02/10/2003 1:31:08 PM PST by amused (Creed of the Leftist: "Freedom of speech as long as you are in agreement")
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To: firebrand; finnman69
I haven't seen to many of those stickers on the Upper East Side.

Although some misguided moron across the street from my laundromat hung a gigantic peace sign in lights on his fire escape. Coincidentally, the same apartment is displaying window posters for "tougher rent laws".

It's hard to fold my laundry and roll my eyes in disgust at the same time.

I can't retaliate personally, since I live on a different street and my apartment is in the back of the building in any case. So I will have to reach out to someone who lives across the street from the peacenik, and provide them with an American flag in lights for their fire escape...

66 posted on 02/10/2003 1:32:07 PM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: doug from upland
Ummmm.....do we really care if they protect the U.N. building?

Just reading through i was wondering when someone was going to get to the real point.

Thanx doug

68 posted on 02/10/2003 1:41:59 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK (An American Fellowship of Freedom loving Conservatives..... <*[[[[[><)
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To: areafiftyone
Nekked? I know can you imagine the stench of 100,000 (YEAAA RIGHTTT 100,000 - they wish!) unwashed peaceniks - EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

LOL ever drove past a Hog farm? .....About the same smell i would imagine.

69 posted on 02/10/2003 1:44:46 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK (An American Fellowship of Freedom loving Conservatives..... <*[[[[[><)
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To: Yehuda
Good on you, my man...
70 posted on 02/10/2003 1:45:28 PM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: doug from upland
Ummmm.....do we really care if they protect the U.N. building?

Doug, actually, no--but it's as good an excuse as any :-))

71 posted on 02/10/2003 1:59:01 PM PST by Catspaw
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To: onetimeatbandcamp
if it involves the IAC/ANSWER, probably not. they were very much against the clinton kosovo campaign.

Very true. IAC sprang up around Milosevic and the Kosovo war with a "Free Slobodan" campaign and appears connected with the free-mumia people. ANSWER was created almost immediately after 9-11.

Funny how these groups "spring" up to denounce the evil that is the US immediately proceeding US action against evil in the world; Milosevic, the Taliban and now Saddam. And then they get agitated for calling a spade a spade...in this case being called anti-american(though I will allow that a majority of peace protesters are more anti-Bush than anything else). And yet folks who see the CIA as creating aids and selling crack can't make the leap that these groups do not have America's interests in mind. Is that these guys are such darn good organizers? Or do the protesters know full well who these people are and agree with these organizations?

Tough spot to be in; unwitting accomplice, ostrich, or full bore anti-american. Well when you lie down with dogs what can one expect?

73 posted on 02/10/2003 2:20:12 PM PST by amused (Creed of the Leftist: "Freedom of speech as long as you are in agreement")
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To: amused
Thanks. The runners amok are a given in a crowd like that. It looks as though the drooling socialist/Marxist/communist/anarchists are angry at being relegated to a Free Speech zone. Weren't they in favor of those during the Clinton era?? Seems like it only becomes a free speech issue when the shoe is on the other foot.

I probably ought to mention here that if they were not allowed to protest at all, I'd be screaming my fool head off - and thinking "I can't believe I'm defending these creeps" - but if it's good enough for us, it's good enough for them.

74 posted on 02/10/2003 2:20:30 PM PST by cake_crumb (Without dictators, what reason would we have to keep the UN?)
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To: cake_crumb
Thanks. The runners amok are a given in a crowd like that. It looks as though the drooling socialist/Marxist/communist/anarchists are angry at being relegated to a Free Speech zone. Weren't they in favor of those during the Clinton era?? Seems like it only becomes a free speech issue when the shoe is on the other foot.

Yes, alot of them(not all) are ardently in favor hate speech codes & conservative speech restrictions, but will screech at any restrictions placed on what they see as valid speech. Basically the antithesis of what the 1st amendment is intended to be.

I probably ought to mention here that if they were not allowed to protest at all, I'd be screaming my fool head off - and thinking "I can't believe I'm defending these creeps" - but if it's good enough for us, it's good enough for them.

I would to. The day we do not stand for free speech for those we disagree with is the day we no longer deserve it ourselves.

75 posted on 02/10/2003 2:31:17 PM PST by amused (Creed of the Leftist: "Freedom of speech as long as you are in agreement")
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To: areafiftyone
Don't they realize that acting like that is turning people off and away from them. What idiots!

You sat that like it is a bad thing!

I've been lurking at DU, as I am wont to do. A lot of them are talking about going down anyway.

I think I will pop some popcorn Saturday, sit down, and watch as therse animals are hauled off to jail.

Should be fun ;)

76 posted on 02/10/2003 2:49:40 PM PST by Connservative
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To: ken5050
they could try to levitate the UN...actualy, they might succeed, there's sooooo much hot air in the place..

LOL! Hmmm, maybe that accounts for "global warming."

78 posted on 02/10/2003 2:50:19 PM PST by ELS
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To: finnman69
In all seriousness, a large antiwar march would seem to be an ideal target for a terrorist strike. Tons of media coverage, lots of bodies. And the pinheaded America haters would still love Saddam and Al Qaeda! And then they would blame Bush for 'allowing' it to happen. The libs got him coming and going :(
79 posted on 02/10/2003 2:53:54 PM PST by Connservative
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To: areafiftyone
We have heard all their tripe before,deny them free speech, i don't care!
80 posted on 02/10/2003 2:54:05 PM PST by INSENSITIVE GUY
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