[MadIvan]

Good. Nail Schroeder and Fischer to the wall.

Regards, Ivan

[MadIvan]

Bump!

[nonliberal]

Time to pull out of NATO.

[ItisaReligionofPeace]

In the latest development, the German newspaper Welt am Sonntag has reported that the United States is reportedly putting economic pressure on Berlin. The paper says that the U.S. has decided to cut its planned multi-million investments in German military bases.

We're playing hardball. Good.

[CWOJackson]

Siemens has a large presence here in the U.S. and most old European nations that don't side with Germany/France (Italy in particular). That could be costly...far more costly then the returns they've received selling forbidden materials under the table to Iraq. I'm sure the majority stock holders are going to feel comfortable with this.

Couple that with the U.S. moving it's remaining bases from Germany to Poland and it could get interesting.

[Timesink]

Munich. How apropo. Did they pray to the ghost of Chamberlain before getting underway?

[guitfiddlist]

We never have held Germany quite accountable for World War II. Right after the war - we had to adopt them as allies to combat the Soviets in the Cold War. That's over. They sink or swim now. Squeeze the frikkin' bastards or chuck them over the side to swim with the sharks. I'm sick of their whining, self-serving traitorism.

P.S. I have nothing against the German people - but if they persist with this government - I have EVERYTHING against the German people.

[PLK]

"It is simply not wise to carelessly endanger a partnership that has been so important to us with such irresponsible comments," said Karsten Voigt, the government's coordinator for German-American affairs, in a radio interview.

It's the Germans who have been careless and irresponsible. Their problem is arrogance born of total ignorance, or total denial; who knows with these fools.

[GirlShortstop]

"I am not convinced. That is my problem. I cannot go the public and say that these are the reasons because I won’t believe in them," Fischer said.

Germany embraces logic absentia, IMO.   Fischer can't say he's for war... because he doesn't believe in them, well, why then has he *yet* to articulate the reason(s) that war against Iraq is wrong?

[Nick Danger]

"It is simply not wise to carelessly endanger a partnership that has been so important to us with such irresponsible comments," said Karsten Voigt, the government's coordinator for German-American affairs

What am I as an American citizen, to make of comments like "the U.N. weapons inspectors should continue their work and be given more time" and "we should finish with Afghanistan and Al Qu'eda"?

What this sounds like to me is, "We do not really care if these weapons fall into the hands of terrorists, nor do we care if Saddam Hussein completes his work on a nuclear weapon. What we care about is our $366 million Euros we get out of Iraq every year. If thousands of you Americans die in some kind of attack, we will send you our condolences... but surely the $366 million Euros are more important than your lives."

Then after telling me that, you tell me we have some kind of partnership. I say to Hell with you.

[expatpat]

Good. Nail Schroeder and Fischer to the wall.

Also, the wonderfully-named Klaus Kinkel and Peter Struck.

[Faraday]

There is this assumption in Europe (and much of the rest of the world) that because the US is the big dog on the block, it must accomodate the yapping of the poodles done for their own domestic audiences. In normal times, I understand this. However, now is not "normal". The European navel gazers have not come to the realization that a struggle for the future of civilization is underway. And it particularly rankles after 50 years of US blood and treasure have been expended in defense of these ingrates. (And Germany/France used that defense umbrella as an opportunity to develop a socialist welfare state.) All countries should be aware that the world is being reshaped, and the passive won't have a voice in that process.

[SevenofNine]

Cheers sweetie dahlingsssss Rummy

Hey Ivan actually Rummy is very right on the money NEW Europe aka Czech Republic and Romania telling Dubya go for it Dubya lay smackdown on Saddam

I think Germany finally realizing they are not our little buddy anymore because of steadfast not go after Saddam

Yeah they been hanging out with coward France with too long


Rackkk Rummy for point that out

[bandleader]

I wonder who is going to play"Neville Chamberlain"at this"Munich Conference",and whose country will be given away?

[tophat9000]

Gee what are France and Germany hoping for.... Munich Agreement II?

[PAR35]

Munich Conference Opens

Wonder if the Germans intended for the location to be symbolic. They had such success with the British at the last Munich peace conference.

"My good friends, for the second time in our history, a British Prime Minister has returned from Germany bringing peace with honour. I believe it is peace for our time... Go home and get a nice quiet sleep."